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What’s this 65 foot limit i keep hearing about?

Discussion in 'Car Hauler and Auto Carrier Trucking Forum' started by Atlanticus trucking, Aug 4, 2018.

  1. Aug 4, 2018 #1
    Atlanticus trucking

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    Deleted because this was already answered by BRIAN99121 in another thread.
     
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  3. Aug 4, 2018 #2
    Kyle G.

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    Um with a 50’ trailer i would be more concerned about the weight. What is your weight rating? If you are over 26,000 lbs. you will need a cdl regardless of length. If your trailer is over 10,000 you will need a class A. Those are the basic rules. We have some more seasoned members here that are better versed in this. I will wait for them to chime in before i say more.
     
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  4. Aug 4, 2018 #3
    Atlanticus trucking

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    The 50 foot trailer weighs 5500, the truck is 8000. The GVWR of the truck is 14000 so the trailer will be down rated till our driver gets his cdl to 12000.
     
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  5. Aug 4, 2018 #4
    Expeditor

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    You must go by the weight rating plate on the vehicle. Actual weight does not count when registering. If the trailer is over 10k pounds, it doesn't matter what the truck weight is ,you must have a class A, just like Kyle stated. You can have a truck rated at 26k, no cdl needed, and add a 9,500 lbs rated trailer and still not needed a cdl. You have a vehicle with a combined 35,500 lbs without a cdl and still be legal. You haven't pass the 26,001 pounds for the truck or the 10,000 pounds for the trailer. Remember you can't derate, must register for weight rating on the vehicle plate.
     
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  7. Aug 4, 2018 #5
    Atlanticus trucking

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    From what I’ve learned on these boards and other research and keep in mind i may be incorrect but:
    • If the trailer is carrying over 10k lbs or its GVWR is over 10k lbs i dont need a cdl. What matters is the gcwr AND the actual weight. Both must be under 26k to not require a cdl. So if my truck GVWR was 26k like in your example, and my trailer has a GVWR of 9500 i would definitely need a cdl because the gcwr would be over 26k.
    • You can derate a trailer by having the manufacture adjust the rating for the trailer. Kaufman charges either 10 or 20 dollars for this.
     
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  8. Aug 4, 2018 #6
    Expeditor

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    I like your disclaimer " I might be incorrect " lol. What you are doung is re-rating the trailer, not necessarily derating. If I had a 33k truck I could not derate to 26k so I wouldn't need a cdl. You have to register for actual plated weights. I believe if you pull a trailer , commercially, with a gvw of 10,001 pounds, regardless of how much weight you have in it, then you need a cdl A. I'm not 100% on that. If you read the FMCSA 383. 5 definition answer 6 that is why they say 26k truck and 10,000 lbs trailer. They say 10k not 10,001. I believe 10,001 triggers the CDL for the trailer. The truck is triggered at 26,001. Again this is plated weight has nothing to do with actual weight on truck or trailer.
    If you have a truck that is rated at 33k but only weights 25k at the scales, you still need a cdl even though you are less than 26k.Don't ask me how I know.

    Read answers 6 and 12. Pay attention to the wording less than and more than. This is right from FMCSA not truck stop counter.

    Regulations Section
     
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  9. Aug 4, 2018 #7
    Atlanticus trucking

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    Lol yeah i need the disclaimer in there because I’m not an expert yet and this #### is complicated. But i plan on being eventually. From what I’ve read, of course i dont have sources, the FMCSA states that a 10,001 and up GVWR trailer requires a CDL A only if the GCWR exceeds 26001. So in my case I wouldn’t need a cdl because my trailer would be rated for 12k and GCVR would be under 26001.

    I was incorrect when i said that in your example of a 26k truck with a 9500 trailer would need a cdl. You are correct that they wouldn’t.
     
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  10. Aug 4, 2018 #8
    Atlanticus trucking

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    This is the best i can find right now backing what I’m saying
     

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  11. Aug 4, 2018 #9
    Atlanticus trucking

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    Found it. Look at the description of when a class A is needed:

    Drivers

    The word in question is inclusive in the definition. See below:

    Class A: Any combination of vehicles which has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) whichever is greater.
     
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  12. Aug 5, 2018 #10
    b61mack

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    Once you get on the road. You will get the answers quickly. Troopers love to pull over wedge car carriers..
     
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