Ontario speed limiter protest set for March 2

RJ,I can agree with your opinion about just sitting in the middle lane but the right lane isn't only for trucks cars should practice the same,as that lane that they like to plug up is our only passing lane which I also think is a bunch of BS. law made up by dumb---- that have never driven a truck.Another thing I really want to understand what has put you in the position to decide that trucks do not need to ever go over 105kph.If that is what you want to drive that is your business but I should be able to utilise the law which in some states is 75mph. to whatever advantage I see fit.

 

Here is the bottom line; Ontario and Quebec has passed a law that reaches out beond its boarders. Ontario and Quebec are telling every operator from every state in the US and provinces from the rest of Canada, you have to obey our law which will effect you outside of Ontario.

They are playing the game " it's my ball and I make the rules". Well the reality is, Ontario, no one wants to play that kind of game. Take your ball, and go play with yourself!

.... and this, from an Ontario Trucker!

Scott
Owner/Operator
Cambridge, Ontario
Proud Member of OOIDA and OBAC

 

The key word I'm seeing here is enforcement the cops/dot don't/won't enforce the laws they already have why do they keep making new ones? Our government is retarded

 

Just when I think we here in the States have been taken over by the nazis, I look to our friends to the north and see they're ahead of us in loosing each and every little chunk of freedom bit by bit.

Gun kontrol, now truck kontrol. We have it here in a sort - almost everywhere you go - no trucks in the left lane. The left lane our taxes pay for, no less.

As long as laws are made exclusively by 4-wheelers, this stuff will never ever change. Any legislation that's sold to you under the guise of for the "children", the "environment", or "safety", should redline your BS detectors.

Hope you all get the limiter laws overturned.

 

I'm not a trucker, but I think that the limiter is a DUMB idea. There are times when you need the ability in pull ahead (IMHO)... if they set it to 120km/hr or 115, I could understand.. but 105?

what happens when you go down a hill?

 

Wow! Can we get you out to the protest?

Whay happens when you go down a hill? Don't say it too loud! Our politicians might make it illegal for trucks to go down hills....

 

I re-read my initial post and can't see to what this relates. I claimed that there are a multitude of trucks that are spec'd to achieve optimal cruising efficiency within the 105kph limit. I didn't not claim that manufacturers are selling equipment already limited below 115-120kph.

And I have mine. Reducing speed increased my MPG on the five different trucks on which I measured the variations.

No, it's not a catch-phrase. It's a adverb intended to communicate the application of general trends to concrete situations. Am I using it to undermine "your" Federal Regulators sutdy. No. In this quote, I was describing how the claim that split-speed traffic becomes 'dangerous'. I did this to show more explicitly why the authors chose to describe the danger more in terms of increased risk than in absolute inevitable collisions. Theoretiecally, split-speeds, increased volume, and merging traffic increase the risk. However, if done properly, it's entirely possible to do it all without having a collision.

No, it's pretty basic physics. I wrote it else where that reduced velocity entails a reduced equal and opposite reaction, hence less severity. Whether it seems less severe doesn't negate the fact that slower speeds entail less severe crashes. I'm unsure why you're disputing this. I doubt you'd claim that you should be allowed to travel fast because reducing the speed by a few kilometres wouldn't affect the fatality of the collision anyway, so I'm not sure how to interept your objection here.

And yet the truck was involved, and the truck carries more kinetic engery than the car. Hence the push to reduce the velocity of the truck to remove a significant portion of the kintetic enegery's removed from the collision.

Who said my income depends on it? Sorry, I don't answer questions based on the wrong premis.

Sorry, but what makes you think that I dispute this?

Huh?

It does? Reread that portion again. I wrote that if the MTO could find a way to force all drivers to change lanes properly, they would. This is a semi-serious observation about the tendecy of government to over-regulate, albeit sometimes for the greater good. Again, it applies to all drivers, not just truck drivers.

...huh? What makes you think that I'm mocking the reality of the dangers associated with split-speeds? Maybe I didn't express myself clearly enough because you're clearly missing the point repeatedly. All I meant by this section is that perhaps we'll witness some surprising benefits to speed-limiters in Ontario and Quebec that we're not expected.

This section was particularly dismaying because I thought I was perfectly clear. To risk repeating myself, your figures are blatantly exaggerated because you wrote in your initial post that limiting the speed on your truck to 105kph would cost you $9,000+. This is blatantly false and you know it. Unless you have a mechanical engine, limiting your truck only entails modifying the settings on your ECM.

In the third sentence, you seem to acknowledge the ruse when you write about "the numbers for mechanical changes" to your truck! As I wrote earlier, speed limiter law only requires you to limit the speed through the ECM, it does not require you to change your drive-train configuration, so that you can optimite your fuel economy.

It depends on where your business is domiciled. You're based in Ontario, and it was a business decision you made, and now you're paying for it. And it's not the government's responsibility to change it's laws based on the business decisions you made.

Hmm, I drive many of the 400 series highways at 100kph and find myself keeping pace with quite a few people, even in the GTA. Now, again, let's clarify. The study's you quote so freely make a distinction: driving slower than the flow of traffic becomes more dangerous under two additional conditions (a) increased volume and (b) merging traffic. Only a few significant portions of the 400 series highways regulalry feature all three conditions, and when they do, the flow of traffic is roughly 90kph.

This is a little too polemical for a fact-based posted, so I'm only going to ask one question. What's your motivation? It seems to me that if the government's obsessed with politics (Heaven forbid a political system be obssessed with politics!), then your motivatoin's strictly financial.

Before you reply to posts, please read them.

That's nice.

 

Since you've read the legislation, you know what happens to a speed limited truck rolling down a hill.

 

Unfortunately I'm sure this stuff could go on forever....opinions are like ---holes everyone has one.I'm sure alot of opinions have some merit to them but this crap motivated and pushed by the OTA (they do not represent me)and at this point adopted by our great government in the shortest form I can but it in is nothing short of DICTATORSHIP!It is amazing how much they will lie to substantiate thier ideas.It seems most of laws are in exsistance because of peoples stupidity....so instead of educating those challenged people we make laws that take other peoples freedoms away.I'll give one simple example.Reflective tape on comercial vehicles was put there because some drivers were to stupid to make sure thier lights were working while using thier trucks at night?Maybe because those "big OTA fleets" can't afford to put more than 3 lights per side of thier 53" trailers?Either way we end up with laws that force us to operate at the mental level of the lowest common denominator of society.Maybe it is as simple as majority rules in which case you best practice wrapping your head with a turbin and get reading the Curan.Just PART of my opinion!

 

I want add something because of accidently clicking on page 1.You people who have the idea that drivers that drive thier trucks faster then you think we should and think that we always go broke should just shut up,sit back and let us go broke!!!!Then you can have all the work to yourselves BUT you know that will NEVER happen!!!!