Starting a small fleet

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by brub1155, Aug 24, 2018.

  1. DUNE-T

    DUNE-T Road Train Member

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    You don't have to wait 2 years, I started my MC with only 8 months experience
     
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  3. brub1155

    brub1155 Light Load Member

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    So you have your own authority. I looked at doing that but again I am new and insurance seems crazy, and I assume you might have a factoring company can you expand more on how your experience has been and numbers wise and do you just own 1 truck and drive yourself. you can email me please. Thank you
     
  4. DUNE-T

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    Some numbers for new O/O
     
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  5. brub1155

    brub1155 Light Load Member

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    Hello thank you for your replies, do you own your truck? and yes its the max force 13 on the International, my friend and mechanic at International said they don't have the best reputation, but again he looked it over top to bottom and did his diagnostic checks with their software that hooks up to the truck and everything looks great on it at the moment. I have appreciated everyones input even though mostly all I have gotten is sell the trucks, I was hoping to find someone that has or does own a small fleet and gain knowledge of what worked and didn't work for them and how they set their drivers up.
     
  6. brub1155

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    Wow thanks I just clicked the link looks like a lot of info this was what I was hoping to find or get responses that are telling me real info on getting started instead of getting bashed with I wasn't bright buying these trucks and I need to sell, Thank you again I will get back to you.
     
  7. brub1155

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    That was great info and I read through your post and people's replies. I don't think I want to get my own authority just yet, and again I talked to Darrel Wilson who owns Wil-Trans and he advised me just starting to look into putting my trucks under someones authority, I am sure I could learn a ton from him but I don't want to keep bothering him, I'm sure he is busy enough as it is

    This is what I was calculating my numbers off of. This is with RAFA Trans which I would get 88% of gross load, which they say the truck should be grossing about 1k a day so I broke it down to even worse than that I looked at if a driver does say 2800 miles a week at basically $2 a mile that comes to $5600 minus the following all weekly caculations

    $672 for 12 percent of what Rafa will take
    $1600 in fuel, which is average of 7 miles per gallon at $4 per gallon,(again looking at worst case) which after looking at the Internationals history with my friends software it has been averaging 7.5mpg (both trucks are automatic)
    $300 for their trailer rental fee
    $5-7 non trucking insurance
    $15 collision insurance based off of 3% of the trucks value at say 25k(the International after looking at comparable trucks and what they are selling for)
    $50 for base plates/ifta/permits
    $5 for elogs
    $15 for Accountant
    $400 for a maintenance account(I know this # will vary but I will put money aside just incase) as well as for the trucks value
    $1512 for the drivers pay if I set them up to make 27% off the 88% percent

    So that leaves me with just over $1000 a week before taxes. I have spoke to the owner of Rafa and he said with running my trucks with other people I could expect to make around $30-50k a year with each truck, again I know their are lots of variables like if the truck goes down for a few days or a driver needs to take a week off, fuel prices, freight lanes.....etc Do you think these numbers are accurate and is that a decent scale chart numbers wise and again I am looking at the best way to set the drivers up so that they make lots of money and I can also be profitable and keep my business running. Thank you
     
  8. brub1155

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    That was great info and I read through your post and people's replies. I don't think I want to get my own authority just yet, and again I talked to Darrel Wilson who owns Wil-Trans and he advised me just starting to look into putting my trucks under someones authority, I am sure I could learn a ton from him but I don't want to keep bothering him, I'm sure he is busy enough as it is

    This is what I was calculating my numbers off of. This is with RAFA Trans which I would get 88% of gross load, which they say the truck should be grossing about 1k a day so I broke it down to even worse than that I looked at if a driver does say 2800 miles a week at basically $2 a mile that comes to $5600 minus the following all weekly caculations

    $672 for 12 percent of what Rafa will take
    $1600 in fuel, which is average of 7 miles per gallon at $4 per gallon,(again looking at worst case) which after looking at the Internationals history with my friends software it has been averaging 7.5mpg (both trucks are automatic)
    $300 for their trailer rental fee
    $5-7 non trucking insurance
    $15 collision insurance based off of 3% of the trucks value at say 25k(the International after looking at comparable trucks and what they are selling for)
    $50 for base plates/ifta/permits
    $5 for elogs
    $15 for Accountant
    $400 for a maintenance account(I know this # will vary but I will put money aside just incase) as well as for the trucks value
    $1512 for the drivers pay if I set them up to make 27% off the 88% percent

    So that leaves me with just over $1000 a week before taxes. I have spoke to the owner of Rafa and he said with running my trucks with other people I could expect to make around $30-50k a year with each truck, again I know their are lots of variables like if the truck goes down for a few days or a driver needs to take a week off, fuel prices, freight lanes.....etc Do you think these numbers are accurate and is that a decent scale chart numbers wise and again I am looking at the best way to set the drivers up so that they make lots of money and I can also be profitable and keep my business running. Thank you
     
  9. brub1155

    brub1155 Light Load Member

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    That was great info and I read through your post and people's replies. I don't think I want to get my own authority just yet, and again I talked to Darrel Wilson who owns Wil-Trans and he advised me just starting to look into putting my trucks under someones authority, I am sure I could learn a ton from him but I don't want to keep bothering him, I'm sure he is busy enough as it is

    This is what I was calculating my numbers off of. This is with RAFA Trans which I would get 88% of gross load, which they say the truck should be grossing about 1k a day so I broke it down to even worse than that I looked at if a driver does say 2800 miles a week at basically $2 a mile that comes to $5600 minus the following all weekly caculations

    $672 for 12 percent of what Rafa will take
    $1600 in fuel, which is average of 7 miles per gallon at $4 per gallon,(again looking at worst case) which after looking at the Internationals history with my friends software it has been averaging 7.5mpg (both trucks are automatic)
    $300 for their trailer rental fee
    $5-7 non trucking insurance
    $15 collision insurance based off of 3% of the trucks value at say 25k(the International after looking at comparable trucks and what they are selling for)
    $50 for base plates/ifta/permits
    $5 for elogs
    $15 for Accountant
    $400 for a maintenance account(I know this # will vary but I will put money aside just incase) as well as for the trucks value
    $1512 for the drivers pay if I set them up to make 27% off the 88% percent

    So that leaves me with just over $1000 a week before taxes. I have spoke to the owner of Rafa and he said with running my trucks with other people I could expect to make around $30-50k a year with each truck, again I know their are lots of variables like if the truck goes down for a few days or a driver needs to take a week off, fuel prices, freight lanes.....etc Do you think these numbers are accurate and is that a decent scale chart numbers wise and again I am looking at the best way to set the drivers up so that they make lots of money and I can also be profitable and keep my business running. Thank you
     
  10. DUNE-T

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    There are too many other things, but lets say everything goes as you planned and you have $45k profit at the end of the year.
    Now imagine your automatic transmission starts giving you problems. You dump 2k every month for 3 months trying to figure out what's wrong, or in the worst case scenario you spend $10k to get a new transmission in the middle of nowhere. And you pay your driver $1000 per week to sleep in hotel for two weeks doing nothing.
    The small downtime here and there, plus all the repairs, will quickly eat your profit.
    Here is an example. Something was wrong with my AC, two shops, $1500 in repairs, a week downtime and it still was not fixed. 3rd shop $50 and fixed right away.
    The people who will be making money in your scenario will be Rafa and your driver (maybe). You have to drive, own and deal with truck maintenance yourself first, or get a brand new one and have everything fixed at dealerships.
     
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  11. DSK333

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    I think 1k a week per truck before taxes sounds about right. However, you will not get that every single week due to freight fluctuations, driver availability and service/repairs. Don't forget about your share of SS and worker's comp you'll have to pay for each driver as well. And what about benefits, PTO etc? Will you be offering those to your drivers? Once all is said and done, two trucks will not be getting you what you really want unless you keep flipping the profit back into obtaining more trucks. Once you have about 10 you'll be able to actually get somewhere. It will take you several years to recoup the money you've invested thus far for the truck purchase. That's a pretty slow ROI IMO. I can think of much better ways to make money. Try flipping real estate.
     
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