Starting a small fleet

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by brub1155, Aug 24, 2018.

  1. brub1155

    brub1155 Light Load Member

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    Thanks for all the replies, stil
    This is what I am here for, I am just learning, I could also put them where maybe they take like 65 or 70 percent of gross off the 88% but they are responsible for everything like fuel and maintenance and tolls .....etc, or again maybe lower the percentage to 25 which another company does up here who runs his trucks under landstar and he has 7 trucks and pays 25 percent gross load but offers health insurance. I want to make sure the drivers are happy but again I was just looking at 1099, I am not trying to be a scumbag, but I have to make some sort of profit just to keep business running and keep drivers happy. most people that have never owned a business just think the owner is getting rich which is not the case. I only know because I owned a cab company, but most people don't see all the expenses the owner is paying and the logistics behind everything. I know I might not make much with these 2 trucks but I have to get started somewhere. This is where I want people's advice, I don't want to screw a driver over and I want to pay them very well, but I also have to make a little profit if that makes sense to keep everything going. Thank you
     
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  3. Misesian

    Misesian Road Train Member

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    If you’re wanting to get into the trucking business because you see dollar signs, you’re in for a rude awakening. You can find articles called the “True Cost of Trucking” that are a survey of a large group of companies and gives you an average cost. If it costs 1.60-1.75 a mile just to cover costs and your rate is 2.10 mile, you can do the math. If you've got company guys in the truck, expect your costs to be 1.70-1.75 and that’s if you’re hitting 7.5 mpg. These figures are on all miles averaging 10k miles a month. What if you want to get your guys home every weekend? For every percentage less than 10k your costs go up per mile by the same.
    I can tell you from experience that those 500k mile trucks are going to hit you in maintenance and downtime, costs go up from the previous example and your revenue decreases. With just 2 you can’t afford to be off the road. In my opinion, you need at least six to support yourself and the business. Who is going to manage it? Again, from experience, if you’re planning on doing it all and still driving for yourself or someone else, it’s very stressful.
    If you’re one truck, leasing on is a good deal, multiple trucks and company guys, you need your own authority, no question.
    There is no grey area when it comes to paying drivers on a 1099; they are employees, unless you put them on a lease purchase deal for the truck, in which case, you need a lawyer involved.
    I would flip those trucks and get rid of them. Get out on your own and learn how to run the business before you involve other people and their families.
     
  4. brub1155

    brub1155 Light Load Member

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    taxi business is very regulated, maybe not as much as trucking, but it is regulated, lol they hate uber, when you own a taxi business in my area, every jurisdiction might be different but you have to commercial insurance, I was paying about 30k a year in insurance for 5 cabs that I had. and you have to have taxi plates and yes very fine line on what is considered an IC or an employee. thats why I am here to figure out best way that drivers can make max money but I can still make profit to keep everything running.
     
  5. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    It is not regulated on a federal and state level, it is usually regulated on the local level.

    The problem is that everything from how the contracts are formed with a carrier, broker and owner to how you qualify a driver to drive, is all regulated by both federal and state regulations.

    This is beside labor laws that govern what makes a contractor and what makes an employee.
     
  6. DUNE-T

    DUNE-T Road Train Member

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    This guy might actually get somewhere. He has ATM business, money in stocks, owned a Taxi business, now he wants to open a trucking business, when everyone says NO. Some great businessmen were from the same type as him.
    The only thing what throws me off, is that he is a Swift driver...
    Again, how about jumping yourself in one if your trucks and go work for Nafa Trans?
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  7. brub1155

    brub1155 Light Load Member

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    I am not sure what you are saying, currently I work for swift netting about $1000 a week, I don't have many deductions as I am covered under the VA, I drive for swift because I want to past time to get my 2 yrs in, I am fully prepared to do what it takes to get this business started and have again some money and lots of credit, I flip cars on the side through many auctions like banks/copart/iaa/ft drum and have many connections,have a duplex 2500sq feet and I also own an atm machine route out in California that I make about 60k off that, I am very business orientated and went to school for 2 yrs for BA, but only have associate in Individual studies, Again I here what people are saying but I am looking for advice if I do put these trucks on the road...Thank you again
     
  8. DSK333

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    I would highly recommend leaving drivers/contractors/employees or whatever you want to call them completely out of the equation until you have personally ran one of the trucks for at least a year. You will end up with some very nasty enemies if you fail. Do the right thing and get this all up and running smoothly with yourself as the driver then expand/grow when you're more stable. Besides, the only people you'll most likely find willing to drive for you will be losers anyway. You won't attract good drivers until you yourself have some really sweet bait to draw them in with like benefits and it will take time to get to that point.
     
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  9. brub1155

    brub1155 Light Load Member

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    I work for swift because I don't like sitting around also I still want to get my 2 yrs in if I can drive my own truck and make 2500-3k why not instead of paying a driver, I own 1 duplex 2500sqf up where I am at that I paid 15k for I put another 15k in renovations and now I rent both sides out for 750 and 900 and I make about 1k a month off that plus I pull equity loans off that property which is appraised at 60k, I also own an atm machine route where it grosses about 200k but I pay business owners to let me have my machines their and a dollar for every transaction net 60k after paying loomis
     
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    also no offense but i can show you over 100k, all I came here for was to learn on gettting a small fleet going thank you again
     
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  11. Ridgeline

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    Dude, I looked at your numbers, and they are very skewed.

    A couple things.

    Stop thinking about what the carrier takes as their cut, it is what you gross that matters.

    You don't base the drivers pay on the carrier's gross of the load minus their cut, you base it solely on the gross to the truck. The carrier's cut does not matter in any way shape or form.

    Your 27% sucks, bump that up to 40% of the gross to the truck, that's an attractive income.

    Don't plan on weekly numbers, use monthly or annual, weekly doesn't work right because your depending on someone to work high mileage without resting right.
     
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