There are times when being cautious can lead to disaster

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Lepton1, Oct 7, 2018.

  1. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    As you stated the customer was there with his pickup.
    You could have send him past that hill to slow traffic down while you turned.
     
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  3. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    Possibly. I wasn't expecting to have to deal with the culvert, given the broad shoulder on the opposite side and being able to get the trailer tandems completely off the pavement before initiating the button hooking.

    Once I saw the culvert came in play the best choice was gunning it while get my driver's side steer up the hill on the opposite side of the shallow ditch. That kept the line of the trailer wheels on track to cross at an angle, with about 15 mph to get the tandems across the gap quickly to limit the sideways tilt and bring it upright.

    It's a maneuver that I have to execute often and not just on these narrow country roads. Even brand new facilities in town make ridiculously narrow entrances. With my own spread axle trailer I can often keep one axle at a time on pavement. That three axle step didn't have the luxury of a spread, all the axles we're bunched together, so that increased the challenge.
     
  4. KANSAS TRANSIT

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    I have run into that situation a lot when making POV deliveries, sometimes out in the middle of nowhere and the roads are less than full width. I have actually had better luck pulling slightly past the drive with my truck and trailer fully in the other lane, then backed up a couple of feet to get the trailer tires as close to the far ditch as possible, then wheel the tractor around almost jackknifing it into the trailer to get in, in some cases it get your trailer wheels a little bit further away and gives you a better arch line for your off-tracking,,,,,,,,BUT, the issue with this is, sometimes you can get IN, but getting back OUT can be a challenge!!!lol
     
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  5. Accidental Trucker

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    I wasn't there, so no way of telling if it was a good save, or just dumb luck. I don't buy the argument of lingering in the intersection; not with a chase pickup.

    For years, I had a J turn to come out of the farm with the inevitable culvert. I spent a lot of time in that intersection and on the approach, repositioning the trailer so I wouldn't twist it (or worse, get stuck mid-twist and unable to move unless the truck has lockers).

    It's hard to make the argument for taking a risk of getting stuck in the middle of the intersection and REALLY being a traffic hazard, to avoid being in that intersection for a little while without taking a risk.
     
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  6. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    Perhaps my OP left the wrong impression. While the customer was impressed with the amount of momentary trailer tilt, I wasn't. It was well within the bounds of control. However, if I had elected to drop gears and be dainty about that culvert, it could have been a different story.

    This kind of aggressive throttle to complete a turn isn't unusual out in the Oklahoma oil fields. It's a necessity. Many a turn simply doesn't have enough room to get any more advantage by blocking an intersection while jockeying your tractor. Often I get completely off-road to the left side before making a right turn. The trailer wheels are already in as ideal position as possible. Even still you can be at risk of dropping the right side trailer tires into a culvert, ditch, or other obstacle.

    In the OP situation it can't be stressed enough that taking time to get another few inches of trailer position while blocking the intersection is a BAD IDEA. That narrow two lane "highway" has plenty of truck traffic: bull haulers, hay humpers, and oilfield traffic. Could YOU bring a smooth bore ISO tank hauling 25 tons of acid at max gross weight with less than 50% volume in the tank to a complete stop in less than 250 yards going downhill at 65+ mph? I didn't want to force anyone into that scenario.

    Again, this is a routine maneuver for me and for many of us out here. For the customer following in the pickup truck it may have given him a moment of excitement, but the situation was well in hand and the safest overall strategy. I had well over an hour to sort through the possibilities after the first run. It was the obvious and best course of action.
     
  7. tucker

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    This driver should have went faster, right ?


    https://cdllife.com/2018/caltrans-issues-warning-truckers-stay-off-sr-175/
     
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  8. x1Heavy

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    Ive been pondering tight turns and recall one.

    That one was so tight the trailer required dropping. Right there in the street under police protection herding cars away, Shoo 4wheelers shoo.

    Then rehooked to trailer directly from the side. That eliminated pretty much the one problem that day the tractor radius turning all the way around and not quite fitting. Hooking that trailer was like trying to pickup a sleeping porcupine without getting a hatful of needles.

    I tell you this. Side hooking a trailer is really really dangerous. I only have had to do that three times in my life and I will do anything not to do that. But that day it was the key to solving that corner. Now the police laughed and teased me about getting stuck there. This was a long time before any cell, gps, internet none of that thankfully.
     
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  9. loudtom

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  10. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    Aw shucks, that'll buff right out.
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    That got me curious. I would say that road isn't recommended, especially with a spread axle flatbed.

    I understand you jest with your post. It did look like he attempted to speed up, but I don't think ANYTHING would have saved that situation, other than doing one of two right things:

    1. Don't take that road. You can see from the map it's a hideous option for a big truck. I didn't "drive" the road on Street View to see if it's one of the typical roads that tell you "TRUCKS NOT ALLOWED!!!" well AFTER you have turned onto the road and are committed, or whether the driver could have executed a turn by backing into a bazillionaire's driveway. If he felt committed after taking the turn, then the correct course of action is:

    2. STOP. Put on your 4-ways. Deploy your reflective triangles CORRECTLY (it does seem that about 95% of "professional" drivers don't do this right...and that opens you up to a ticket), THEN call the police and ask for help.

    I've done option two more than just a few times. I have always been thanked for calling. Keeping everyone safe around you on the road sometimes requires getting help.
     
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  11. Electric

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    There is notice BEFORE getting on SR-175
    Google Maps
     
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