2012 Kenworth T660 4 batteries, 1 pair not charging

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  1. Pirate_Freder

    Pirate_Freder Bobtail Member

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    Hey all.

    This is on a 2012 Kenworth T660, it sat for 5 or 6 months and I just swapped in a set of good batteries.The truck has four batteries and they are wired into pairs(with jumper wires). It seems that the front pair is for the starter/maybe more and the rear pair is for the ECM/lights etc. The front pair is working perfectly but the rear pair is not charging properly. I took all of the wires off and cleaned the corrosion but it's the came thing. I also traced the wires a good bit and all looks well, the starter has full power, alternator is putting out full power, grounds all look good.

    The only thing I can think of is maybe I put a connector on top of instead of under a jumper. I just remembered that the jumpers only can make a connection from the top on one end. I'm about to head back to the truck and freeze my butt off while I try some more. I just wanted to make sure there isn't something I'm not aware of that links those two pairs together or if there might be a fuse or something that's partially blown. I found that one positive wire that runs to the rear pair does have voltage coming from the front BUT it lose about 1 volt(11.5 instead of 12.5) from what I measured on the front pair.

    Is it safe to just jump the two pairs together for a full parallel setup? I'm thinking they isolated them to protect the ECM and other sensitive electronics. I tried it briefly with jumper wires and it seemed fine, the positive got a bit hot but it was having to charge up the rear pair.
     
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  3. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    I think it's called parallel.

    Trucks have battery cables connecting the batterys. Obviously all positives connected together and all negatives connected together.

    Battery #1 connects positive. Battery #4 connects negative.
     
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  4. xsetra

    xsetra Road Train Member

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    2-12 volt batteries connected in series will give you 24 volts. download.jpeg


    My truck has all 4 batteries connected together. 4 positives together same with negatives.
    Then it has 2 positives going to starter and 2 negatives going to frame.

    The positive from alternator goes to the starter with the cables from battery.

    Did you load test your batteries.
    A warm cable is ok while starting, I don't think it should be getting hot while charging.

    If you just put 4 good batteries in, why were the 2 so low to draw that much power while charging.

    My truck is older, but all the trucks I owned had similar battery configuration.
    Either 3 or 4 batteries ran parallel. I would always make it 4.

    Good luck
     
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  5. dumptruck89

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    Check the ends of the jumper cables. I've seen them corroded inside were you couldn't really tell till you started moving them around.
     
  6. Pirate_Freder

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    That's not how it is on newer KWs. They have four batteries and the front two are wired together as are the rear two. Then a positive and a negative run to each pair.

    Yeah on these newer KWs they are wired in parallel but two pairs rather than all together. The front pair has a good connection to the starter and alternator. IIRC the positive from the rear pair are goes somewhere else(negative goes to the battery box chassis)...or maybe it runs to the starter but being tired and frustrated I forgot. But for sure the rear pair isn't getting good charging current.

    They haven't been load tested because they do their job just fine so long as they are being charged. They ran down because the truck wasn't properly charging them. Once I jumped the pairs together, so all four are in parallel, everything worked perfectly.

    All of the connections at the batteries are fine so I suppose I need to trace the positive for the rear pair again and make sure it's got a good connection.
     
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  7. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    So 2 batteries wired together and 2 batteries together and the 2 pairs wired together????

    Isn't that 4 batteries wired together?

    Seems crazy to cut the cranking power in half though.
     
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  8. Goodysnap

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    Paccar makes the parallel connection between the two pairs of batteries at the starter with the two seperate main cables. They are all connected, just that they do not have jumpers from battery to battery on the pairs. It wouldn't hurt anything to install them, but they are not needed.
     
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  9. x1Heavy

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    Wot? NO three in one protection?
     
  10. Pirate_Freder

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    Ultimately yes, but the connection isn't in the battery box like in older trucks. As Goodysnap explained it's at the starter. So it isn't nearly as clear that they are in full parallel. Yeah it actually cranks just fine off of one pair, but then they are beefy AGMs.

    Ah ok, I was tackling a bunch of other issues and in being a bit frustrated I apparently missed that they were all meeting up there. Thanks Goody. I'll have to check the connections there.

    Also, what do those two plastic boxes on top of the batteries with three wires each do? Are those breakers or fuses? When I was poking around with the multimeter, iirc, all of those wires were at about 5v.
     
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  11. dumptruck89

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    If it's like the Pete's there's a fusible link in there that gives power to the ecm, had one corrode out on the 12' 388 I was driving stranded me till my boss could get out with some wire to bypass it to ge through the day.
     
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