Bad training experience. Dangerous?

Discussion in 'Trucking Schools and CDL Training Forum' started by yaddayadda, Jan 30, 2019.

  1. aussiejosh

    aussiejosh Road Train Member

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    First off you need to really relax try and stay as calm as possible this of course comes with experience though the more confident you become the more at ease you'll feel. The key here is your instructor should know if you are ready or not, and whether to go ahead and book a practical test with the DMV. Pay attention to what ever they say as their the experienced ones by all means ask questions if you don't understand something. One place I used to work at had a slogan it said " Its better to ask a silly question then to make a stupid mistake", most important hang in there sometimes people quit when their so close to actually achieving something.
     
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  3. yaddayadda

    yaddayadda Bobtail Member

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    To those who believe 'coasting' is bad (and I guess even illegal?), I was just reading up on automated manual transmissions. My interest in the topic was fuel economy, not fear of using a manual. Here's some boilerplate describing a Daimler/Detroit automated manual transmission:

    <<The ECOAST mode automatically disengages the transmission when traveling downhill. As a result, engine RPMs will drop, momentum will be maintained, and fuel economy will go up.>>

    Sounds like this is 'coasting.' If so, it means it's illegal, and bad, if a human does it, but perfectly acceptable if a computer operating the same manual transmission does it.
     
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  4. x1Heavy

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    48 aint bad.

    It's the 34 cents BS you will avoid.
     
  5. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    Well now... You can whistle blow that into FMCSA and they will review that transmission.

    I will NEVER operate a automatic without a manual gear function and NEVER operate a auto that thinks it need input from satellites or god knows what else to do something different than what I want it to do.

    If I had a foot, I would drop kick that over teched POS over the moon.

    There have been way way too many times where constant power to the drives either maintaining speed, pulling or jacobs braking made all the difference in safety. Yes I played nuetral over drive down grade for laughs once or twice. Gravity speed tops at 145ish my math isnt that good against the stop watch between yardsticks that fast down a 5 mile 6% in nuetral.
     
  6. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    Being in neutral is INCREASING the amount of dustance it will take you to get stopped. Having to get on the brakes hard makes a jack knife scenario more likely. These are things you should have known as they are part of the general knowlegde test you need to pass to get your permit.

    Ecoast is only engaged when you have your foot off the fuel AND off the brake. If you so much as caress the brake pedal it will kick you into one gear lower than it was when ecoast kicked in.

    I HATE ecoast. I do not feel safe most times when it kicks in.

    I HATE how the AMT transmissions downshift to a stop. I have to use my brakes more and it increases the time/distance to come to a safe stop.


    Going back to the mirrors - I have told some of my students not to adjust the convex mirror. They want to adjust it in so they can see more of the trailer as opppsed to what they should be seeing - the road next to them. I have also made my guys adjust the west coast mirror out . I only do this after they have trouble staying in their lane or getting straight in a hole as these are indications that the mirrors are not set correctly.
     
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  7. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

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    Let us now where your location is? State & nearest city.
     
  8. yaddayadda

    yaddayadda Bobtail Member

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    I agree that being in neutral will increase the stopping distance, vs. using engine braking (downshifting) in conjunction with using service brakes... IF DONE CORRECTLY. But try to understand my point. You are in a class A truck moving rapidly towards someone's rear bumper, or towards a red light at an intersection. You've got two buttons in front of you which will operate the transmission, and nothing else (no stick, no clutch). The left button simply kicks the transmission into neutral, and you can then apply the brakes at your leisure. The right button, if you press it, will do some random action with the transmission, and the random action will be wrong 95% of the time. Maybe it will upshift. Maybe it will just useless grind in some attempt to go into some random gear. Maybe it will do nothing. So I ask you, which button would you rather push? THAT'S the scenario I was in, because it was my first time ever being in a class A truck, it was my first time ever trying to use an unsynchronized manual transmission, it was my first time ever using that many gears or that particular gear pattern, it was my first time ever having to use range selectors and gear splitters, etc. So the scenario was in fact the two button scenario I just presented to you. And I would push the left button every time, and everybody else reading this would too, whether they want to admit it or not. Well, the instructor forced me to push the right button, over and over, in a dangerous situation (rapidly approaching a stopped car).

    Now, should the instructor teach the student the correct way to downshift and engine brake in order to slow down and/or come to a stop? Absolutely. By all means. But is the appropriate time and place while the rookie student is barreling down the barrel of a busy intersection or someone's rear bumper? No.

    As to a jackknife scenario, just thinking logically about it, and thinking about the physics involved, downshifting and engine braking would put more braking power on the tractor wheels (engine PLUS brakes) than the trailer would have on its wheels (brakes alone), so it seems to me that if anything, engine braking plus normal brakes actually has more potential to jackknife the trailer vs. just straight applying the brakes to everything. I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T USE ENGINE BRAKING. You should. But if you are saying that just straight applying the brakes has more jackknife potential than brakes plus engine, I'd like to understand how that is the case.

    Oh, as to mirrors and your students wanting to adjust them to see all trailer, I wanted to adjust them to see LESS of the trailer and more of the road and situation around me. My instructor forced me to keep them where all I could see was trailer, blue sky, etc.
     
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  9. yaddayadda

    yaddayadda Bobtail Member

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    Probably not a good idea on the public internet? I don't want an instructor from this school figuring out this post is from a student in his class, and then retaliate against me. Also, whether he deserves it or not, I don't want the instructor to get disciplined or fired or whatever. I'm not a mean person out to get anyone, I'm just concerned about safety.

    Do you want to know so you can warn others away from this place? We can talk privately, I guess? And I love the asian theme, BTW. If that is you in the pic, you did well :) Good job!
     
  10. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

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    The reason I ask about your location is so other drivers on here can recommend companies to you. Schools usually push 4 or 5 of the same companies, nationwide. Yes, that's my picture in avatar.
     
  11. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    In your not realitic two vutton scenario - if I am your instructor I want you to hit the button I tell you to.

    I have had many circumstances like you describe where I have told my guy to grab a gear after he dumped it unto neutral. There was plenty of time - if he did as instructed. As an instructor, if I am telling you to do something, it is the safe or easy way to do it. It is a skill you need to learn , he thought you had time to at least make an attempt, so make the attempt. When I got my cdl my instructors did plenty that I didn't like. I figured out WHY they wantedme to do it that way AFTER complying with their instructions.

    There are 6 brakes on a tractor, 4 on the trailer, thus when hitting the brakes hard, the tractor will slow faster than the trailer . An experienced driver can feel the trailer pushing in hard brake scenarios.

    I can tell you what my experiences have been over the last 8 years of training and you can glean some valuable information. However right now it is not sounding like you are trying to learn from people on here, but looking to vent or for sympathy. I wish you the best, but I'm done.
     
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