12V (DC) vs. 110V (AC)

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  1. ThreadingToolGuy

    ThreadingToolGuy Light Load Member

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    I think I know the answer, but I thought I would throw it out to you' all because someone probably "really does know".

    If wattage draw was the same, would there be any electrical current draw differences between a 12 V appliance and a 110 V?

    I just left a company where I had an APU and a large inverter - I think 1800W. I had a small "dorm style" fridge which was rated at 6 amp. Well, the inverter would "kick out" for no apparent reason, and I had one of the mechanics tell me it was because of "that huge fridge". Long story short, I spoke with ThermoKing (Tri-pak unit) and they didn't think it was the fridge. They said to check the connections at the battery and the fuse link. Anyways, another time maintenence checked and found some to be loose. After that, no problems.

    Now that I explained that, if I am right, 6 amp. should be approx. 660 Watts # 110V. Of course 6 amp. should be "peak" draw since the fridge wouldn't always be on. I believe that I'll be allowed to buy a large enough inverter to cover it and more, and the company will install it. My concern is that I will no longer have an APU to charge the batteries, so I will be either drawing from the Altenator (no problem) or the batteries (?).

    I'm soon to be getting into a truck with out an APU. With the above fridge, should I be able to not idle for the night? Please assume that I would use other electrical draw items while idling - i.e. microwave, coffee maker, TV, etc. - so would probably have fully charged batteries before "shutting down".

    Sorry for the longer post, but I wanted to provide enough info. if someone can help. I asked some specific questions, but maybe I only need a general answer to a general question. With fully charged batteries, and all other electrical items turned off, should I worry about running a 6 amp. fridge for the night. The last thing I want is to wake up to is "click click click". Last thing, I realize that factors like winter, starter and engine and battery condition will all be factors.

    Thank you in advance for any constructive help! Take care, be careful out there, and have fun!
     
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  3. Dutch58

    Dutch58 Bobtail Member

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    if you use 6 amps to power the fridge with ac you would take the 660w and divide that by the volts that you would now be using 12v. so that would be 55 amps dc. i am an electrician but i don't deal with dc so not sure on what that would do to the batteries. but those amps sound pretty high my house fridge thats 26 cubic feet does not use that much. hopefully someone can tell you if a battery will live through that load. hope this helps
     
  4. PharmPhail

    PharmPhail Road Train Member

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    I am now too terrified to leave the inverter on and the truck off. Fridge and laptop.

    There seems to be a sliding scale of how charged the batteries really are. Right after a full day of driving, you have a while. But Alternating between running the truck and turning it off you're never getting back to the same charge. I had it off for half hour at one point and there was hesitation in starting. I don't want to get stuck so the inverter goes off if the truck is off. The good news is if the fridge is shut it will probably hold everything ok until the next morning anyway.
     
  5. Red Fox

    Red Fox Road Train Member

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    Consider that a 6 amp battery charger will very slowly charge up your batteries; current draw works a little faster, and also the condition of your batteries will determine things.
    Every time a battery goes dead it gets weaker, so you don't want to go there.
    Why not unplug the fridge for part of the night? Also wrap it at night in a parka or something for extra insulation.
    Just thinking out loud here...:tard:
     
  6. ThreadingToolGuy

    ThreadingToolGuy Light Load Member

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    Thank you all for the quick replies:

    1) Dutch - I'm afraid you missed something, or I didn't explain it right. I have a 110V fridge that is rated at 6 amps. I believe that means that it would draw - 110 X 6 = 660 Watts. I can't convert the 110V fridge to 12V.

    2) Pharm - I am wondering about a switch or having the fridge "hot" so that it is off when the ignition is off? I don't mean to scare you, as much as I want more of an idea of how far I can use these batteries before I hear that "click click click" - been there, done that! I like your ideas to turn it off.

    3) Red - I like the insulation idea! Reminds me that the exhaust from my previous bunk heater was low level as the fridge. Blocking that might mean alot - frankly, with the APU, I didn't need to think about these things! Unplug, turn off, or wire "hot" to the ignition so it is off.

    This brings me full circle to - Dutch. All of the OTR trucks that I have driven have had a 12V outlet in a cubicle that a cooler or fridge could go. Also, they either had switches on the dash for "refridge" or "option". The first I assume was wired to the above outlet, the later, I don't know other than possibly being wired to other 12v outlets in the truck - I can think of at least three others. Do you see it as a big deal (i.e. expensive) to switch that 12V outlet to a 110V connection connected to one of those dash switches?
     
  7. PharmPhail

    PharmPhail Road Train Member

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    Mine doesn't happen to have it, but there are a lot of inverter models that offer a remote switch. My Whistler model has it, but it's a 1500 and I opted for a 2500W cobra for the truck.
     
  8. ThreadingToolGuy

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    Now you bring up another thought, Pham. That is, let's say you need 1500 Watts to cover your needs. Would there be any advantages to having a 2500 Watt Inverter compared to 1800?

    Seems to me that it wouldn't matter, but I really don't have a clue.

    My biggest concern right now is draining my batteries, and I don't think the Inverter would matter (as long as it covered the minimum voltage) - it would only cover the conversion from DC to AC - right???
     
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    I run my dorm fridge with no problems but I have good Cat batteries. The fridge will not be running constantly but will be cycling.
     
  10. PharmPhail

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    If it meets your needs then no benefit. But the odds of adding stuff is better than taking things away over time. The other issue is that even if it works in theory, all of the devices have a threshold power of about 5 times their running draw to start up. So if you have a few devices plugged in that all start up when you turn on the inverter, then it could easily exceed the ability of the inverter for the first few seconds. Usually it just blows a fuse, but also it can compensate with "dirty" power which isn't good for the devices.
     
  11. 25(2)+2

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    This thought came to me, and also that most inverters shut down when the voltage drops,it might not be soon enough to start if there is a problem with the starter, but if the batteries are getting shaky or the wiring is getting bad, the inverter will shut down sooner, try a dry run in the yard overnight and see what happens where someone can help you get it going. My best guess is that you won't have trouble parking at night when the sun isn't heating your sleeper.

    Otherwise, do like us guys that work weekends and nights all the time and equip yourself to get it going with jumper cables, air hose, and a log chain or tow strap.
     
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