Cat brakesaver help

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by 704mover, Jan 29, 2019.

  1. pushbroom

    pushbroom Road Train Member

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    Ah ok. I'm 8hrs/ 5 days a week. Time and a half starts right after. Did a month or two of 6 days a week 12-14hr days.
    7 days off would be nice but only if you have things to do. Shop down the street still runs 4 10s and engine jobs get handed off all the time. I could'nt stand taking over for other people
     
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  3. AModelCat

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    I'm not a fan of it either. Its better if you have a good cross shift that leaves good notes and details.
     
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  4. 704mover

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    Today I replaced the diaphragm. Has 65lb of air but still doesn't work? Help!
     
  5. AModelCat

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    I just read your first post. So you've never ran one before? What are you doing to check that its working?

    Next thing I would check is the spool in the control valve to see if its sticking.
     
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    By spool, are you referring to the valve in the handle on the steering column? before I replace the diaphragm when I pull the handle all I could hear was are gurgling in the oil under the truck but since replacing it when I pull the air handle now I can now here the shaft engage under the truck that the diaphragm and springs are on.I know air is getting down there because when I unhook the airline and pull the handle there is air to it
     
  7. AModelCat

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    Not trying to be condescending but you do know that Brakesavers are pretty much silent? So it would be very hard to notice if it was on when idling. My old 3406A has one. Even though the engine was worn out and only 375 hp I can power through it. It just builds RPM a lot slower than with it completely off.
     
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  8. AModelCat

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    That metal shaft behind the diaphragm is called a valve spool. If it moves freely and is not damaged or scored and the Brakesaver still doesn't work, I'd be looking at an oil supply issues or a plugged port in the valve body. I believe the Brakesaver engines use a different oil pump than regular engines because of the higher oil flow needed to supply the Brakesaver.
     
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  9. 704mover

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    I drove the truck around the block a few times and apply the brake saver multiple times and even drove with it on for a while and I thought I felt it just a little but I figured it would do more than what I was feeling I didn't know if there was a setting or adjustment on it somewhere. This truck came with it factory I'm assuming because it has all the gauges in the dash and everything the spool or shaft you're speaking of looked fine to me as far as no scoring. But this is a new beast to me. This truck we bought from out west and we never have seen a brakesaver here on the East coast. We just don't have much use for them out here I guess. we have the Appalachian mountains but they are nothing compared to the Rockies.
     
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    So would I be able to apply the brakes over while idling and see a reduction in RPM? I tried to look for a reduction in RPM several times while applying it but never could see one. However I pulled the handle and left it applied and drove it for about a half mile and when trying to shift gears I did notice that the RPM fell very fast between gears and made it difficult to shift but I honestly never felt like it was really doing what it probably should
     
  11. AModelCat

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    The engine is governed at the low end, so it shouldn't pull the engine RPM down at idle. I've never had my truck on the open road so I can't say how much braking force they generate. I don't believe they are as good as a jake from what I've been told. They will work better at higher RPM's apparently. @Oxbow might be able to explain it a little better.
     
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