log says sleeper, but...

You're right about the 8 hours having to be sleeper when splitting the 8/2 . I can't see the logic of taking a 9 3/4 hour break instead of 10 . I don't split sleeper because it seems almost nobody has it figured right . So Logsrus and psanderson , give your opinion on this . I was told when splitting the sleeper the 8 hours stops the clock , the 2 hours doesn't .
That being the case , im6under took 8 (at home but he was in the sleeper in the driveway ) then he only had 8 hours available because he worked 6 before taking the break . He drove 5 then took 2 sleeper . That's my question . If the 2 doesn't stop the clock wouldn't he only have another hour left before having to take another 8 ?
And here is what Rawlco said in another thread

The two periods on each side of im6under's 2 hour break equal 17 hours , 13 hours driving .

 

my 9:45 was in the sleeper...

 

Read the 2d part of para 3.

 

two was on 8/2 so it didn't stop the clock it was the finnish of a ten hour break and a new 14 starts


let me give this a shot... here...

I think you are mixing the 8/2 and the 2/8

did my 8 break, drove that stopped clock down then did my 2, totaling 10, after ten you get a new 14 hour clock.

you can drive 11 and work 14... in any duty tour

my tour was 6 on, tick tick tick, sleep 8, drive 5 tick tick tick, sleep 2, duty tour over... 6 drive and 5 drive is 11 hours driving and 10 sleeping new day...

now if you drive 6 tick tick tick, sleep 2 tick tick tick (clock still running)then drive 5 tick tick tick... you now owe your duty tour 8 hours because you've already had 2 off... even though it didn't stop the clock.

your tour doesn't start at midnight it starts when you start work after a minimum of a ten hour break.



after 8 plus the prior 2 your ten is done and you start your next tour...

are you confused??? I am...lol


say you drive from midnight til 11am straight thru and then sleep ten its now 9pm and you are starting a new tour... and you drive from 9-12midnight....

that's driving 14 hours in a 24 hour period and it is legal.

you see it isn't 11 hours in a 24 hour period that is the fallacy...

its eleven in a "duty tour" and not after the 14th hour.

a duty tour is from whenever you go to work until you quit...

drive 11, work 30 straight... or 41 hours total and your duty tour is over. ok take a 10 hour break and do it again...

the regs don't say 24 hours people just think it says that...

your tour starts when you come to work after a ten hour break.

that can be a straight 10 or a split 8/2 or 2/8 but as long as you have accumulated 10 you can start a new tour...

 

if I took a ten... I can only drive 11 hours...

taking atleast 8 but less than ten = 9:45 i can drive my 5 from earlier in the day, crash for 2, then start on my eleven...

or basically be able to drive 16 with a 2 hour break instead of only 11 with a ten...

typing sucks... lol

we need a white board option here...

 

I know a lot of people are under the impression its an 11 hour limit in each day. On 3-14-09 I drove 13.25 hours and had a further 0.75 On Duty Not Driving. All legally.

 

O.K , you may be right . I said that . This has been explained so many ways but I still don't get it . Neither does our safety department . They have never accepted a split sleeper from anybody no matter how it was done . They note it as a violation in the monthly log audit but they have never penalized anybody for it as long as they took a 10 for the next break .

 

Eh, not quite. I've gotten this one wrong before (same as you) ... and I have the violation to prove it.

Following the second period, the hours available under the 11/14 must be recalculated from the end of the first period. Therefore:
Drive 5
Rest 8
Drive 6
Rest 2
You can now drive 5, not 11 (and then take either 8 or 10).

If you were 00:15 from a 10-hour you would have been better off to take it.

You can do splits back-to-back, but to "break the cycle" you need to take 10 (or 34).

 

This thread's already over 100 posts , headed for 200 and we'll still be confused .

 

I ran my log book program on my laptop using your parameters. Based on your information as shown above, you could legally drive until 9:00 a.m.

In other words your 11 hours would be up at 9:00 a.m., you 14 hour clock extended would be up at 10:00 a.m.

Confusing??? You bet!!! That's why I run my logs on a laptop. I let it figure out how much drive time I have remaining/available.