Used Trucks & California Emissions Requirements

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by joecitizen, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. joecitizen

    joecitizen Light Load Member

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    Hi All,

    First post after reading this forum (and others as well, but seem to keep coming back to this one) for awhile now and have a question about buying a used truck while keeping the California emissions compliance in mind.

    Note: I understand completely it is not a good time to start driving a truck for a living in these current economic times. To some my endeavor makes absolutely no sense and to others, well I don't know. Anyway, without being rude or causing any disrespect to anyone, may I request we not go over that subject?

    A little about me:
    I am completely ignorant of this business and have just got my learners permit about three weeks ago and I am currently in the process of working on passing all the required tests to get my class a cdl. I have access to a truck to learn with and plan on getting my license without going to a driving school. This same truck I will be running for the owner under his authority and insurance. (I am already on his insurance for my permit).

    I understand I need to have anywhere from 1-2 yrs. driving experience before I can get insured, so I plan to drive for this amount of time for someone else, and then get my own truck. This time frame will also allow me to learn a good deal about the business and I can make a good solid decision on whether or not I move forward in the trucking business.

    I reside in the lovely, socialistic, golden state of California and have been researching used trucks to initially run in state and should something come up, I would run out of state. I have no intention of running in any states other than the western ones, but again one never knows for sure and must keep all options open.

    Finally my question! lol...
    Year ranges and year when a truck ultimately becomes illegal to drive in California without emission retrofits?

    Example, Today I buy a 1998 International 9400 with a 3406e Cat. What year will it become illegal in California (2011)? Would this truck just be a "throw away"? Retrofit emissions and keep running it?

    Here is the break down I am thinking in my mind...
    Years ---------- Illegal
    1995-til? ------- Year when illegal?

    Lastly, I have a new found respect for you guys/gals who run these beasts. Not until I started driving a truck did I realize just how difficult it really is. My hats off to ya, and I will make every effort to stay out of your way when I am in my four wheeler.
     
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  3. JSmitty

    JSmitty Light Load Member

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    Tell ya what's going to happen, and it's actually already started.

    Uncle Sam is ruining it for everybody, in the name of "Protecting the environment". I'm all for helping out with the environment and all, but sometimes, it's too much to ask.

    Caterpillar announced last year, they will no longer be putting their engines in commercial trucks. They had enough of uncle sam telling them how to swing their bat, so they pulled the plug and are sticking strictly to offroad equipment.

    Before too long, Cummins and Detroit will do the same. It's just too costly, and the buck is only passed on to the truck owners, therefore needing to, but not really able to, going up on their freight rates.


    Now, what folks need to do is say the hell with ya, and not go with the program. Let that freight sit on the docks untill the country is screaming for it. Once Uncle Sam finds out that there is a bunch of their imported material sitting in containers, with no trucks to haul it, let them stick that crap on a train. Afterall, that's what California is after is getting rid of trucks and going all rail.

    Guess what, it will never work. I've never seen a rail going to any local Wal Mart, hahahaha


    Sure, Uncle Sam is offering rebates, discounts to truckers and whatever they can think of to truckers if they upgrade, but who in their right mind would wanna upgrade to something that's going to be nothing but a hassle, and breaking down once a week, Vs. keeping their dependable truck.
     
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  4. joecitizen

    joecitizen Light Load Member

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    Thank you for the reply JSmitty

    After souring the internet all day, I think I may have found my answer.

    1965-1994: must be in compliance by December 2009
    1995-1997: must be in compliance by December 2010
    1998-1999: must be in compliance by December 2011
    2000-2002: must be in compliance by December 2012
    2003-2006: must be in compliance by December 2013
    After 2020 ALL trucks will need to meet 2007 emissions equivalent

    I got the info from the California Dump Truck Owners Association. I also found out that Assemblyman Chuck DeVore, Lou Correa, and Mike Villines sent a letter to CARB asking for a temporary suspension. Write these individuals and enourage them to keep pressure on CARB. I just sent an email to Chuck DeVore tonight.
     
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  5. JasonTheRock

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  6. JasonTheRock

    JasonTheRock Light Load Member

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    I agree, with the way the economy is, 6-9 grand to retrofit a truck is ridiculous. Especially for us single truck owners.
     
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  7. Working Class Patriot

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    The state is broke.....they don't have the funds or manpower to enforce the law.
    Up until just a month ago I had until Sept to replace my rig...that's when the IRP renews....
    Now as it stands....the state is giving me to 2013......

    That's the state....Obama might have different plans in the works......
     
  8. joecitizen

    joecitizen Light Load Member

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    Oh he has something in the works alright, we have not figured it out yet, but when we do will it be too late? Sorry, getting off subject...

    How can truckers organize to prove a point? OOIDA, Teamsters? Can it be done peacefully? Even for one day it will cause the country too take notice I would think? We all have seen truckers do it in Europe. Again these are questions coming from someone who does not know the way it works to be an American trucker.
     
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  9. Working Class Patriot

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    The Teamsters would prefer that all O/O's lose their businesses and become company drivers. The Teamsters cut a "Sweetheart" deal with the mayor of L.A. which banned all pre 2004 rigs from operating in the Harbor (not a bad thing...at least it got rid of the "Duct-taped and tie-wired rigs from the road) and put the O/O's into "Company" trucks. The O/O's had to become teamsters. So the "O/O's" drive cleaner rigs under the authority of a L.A. city approved contractor.
     
  10. henry

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    hmmm........man i wish i was born back in the day and drove then, i bet it was fun to be a driver back in those days and not have to worry if weather my truck is gonna be compliant
     
  11. Six8888

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    the "clean air program" which requires retrofits on trucks in Califronia or replacing the truck only affects trucks going to the port of LA or Long Beach or rail yards. at this time there is no requirement if you don't go and pick up containers in one of the ports or a rail yard.
     
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