aecs8251, it was shocking that a company would use something that long ago against my husband. You talk about unforgiving! Celadon would never be a company a driver should ever go with when they hold something like that against a driver that happened 35 years ago. My husband took a sander and chain from a fenced in yard and that's what happened. He was ordered to pay restitution, get his high school diploma and spent four months on probation. Can you believe that a company would go back that far and use it against a driver? Celadon is very vindictive because the recruiter told my husband he was going to put it on his DAC. My husband thought the charge was thrown out because he abided by the judges orders and the judge told him he was throwing it out. It had never been an issue with any other company, so my husband never even thought about it anymore. He even drove for a company delivering pharmaceutical items to phamacies with high value loads and there was never an issue.
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Never worked for Celedon, never even considered it. Not sure what my company thinks of itself(Can a company think?). I stand behind what I said. I never claimed to be perfect and do consider myself to be grown. I do however remember both of my appearances in traffic court as a teenager and remember paying the speeding fines associated with each. $75.00 and $97.00. I would like to think that I would remember being charged with a crime and paying restitution. I would also like to think that if I was sentenced to do service I would remember that as well. Get a grip on yourself because if your husband is indeed a good driver then he should have no future troubles finding a job. Spend a few bucks and get his criminal history cleared and avoid this issue in the future.
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With Celadon holding something against a driver that happened 35 years ago, Lord have mercy if a driver does anything wrong whille driving for them, like having an accident he gets charged with or something that ticks someone off at Celadon. I argued with the recruiter about wanting to put it on my husband's DAC. I told the recruiter that if there is anything put on his DAC, there will be some repercussions from it. If I have to upload his DAC to every message board around, I will. The recruiter then told me that he might be able to keep it off his DAC, but we still have to wonder if they are going to put it on there just because they can and get away with it at that. It was because of the 35 year charge why Celadon would not hire him. What a shock! I asked the recruiter what would happen if a driver had an accident and was charged with it. He said the driver shouldn't have been charged and that would be the driver's fault. He would deserve to get whatever happens, so to speak, is basically what the recruiter said. I don't remember the exact words on that, but that was what the recruiter was basically saying.
The recruiter wanted us to fax a copy of it to him, as my husband told him it should be thrown out, so we even spent gas money going to another county to pull up a copy of the charge. We had to pay for parking and a dollar a page for the copies. While we were at the courthouse, we called the recruiter and since it showed that it was not thrown out, the recruiter argued with us ababout it. It tells about the sander and the chain and his sentence. We paid money we didn't even have to waste just to be told they would not hire him. What a rotten way to treat someone. -
This is something that affects all drivers and companies using the DAC to ruin careers is not right. I don't just care about our situation, I care about all drivers having to deal with rotten companies that want to hurt them llike that by using DAC to ruin them. What a shame that this can happen in the first place. We all need to take a stand and stop this abuse from continuing. Wouldn't you agree, Mo?
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"He didn't disclose that he stole a sander and chain 35 years ago as he forgot about it"
"My husband would never steal anything from anyone."
OK, so which is it? you're contradicting yourself. you also say that he wanted to work for celadon, then later you say you're glad they didn't hire him? what difference does it make if he commited his crime 35 years ago, or 3 days ago? bottom line is - if he'll steal once, he'll steal again. if you lie, or "forget" something, you'll lie again. but if he never worked for them, why would they put anything on his DAC? do you even know for a fact that they've put anything on there?????? or just ASSuming they did?
am I perfect? no. but if I screw up, I accept responsibility for my actions and accept the repercussions. I wouldn't blame someone else for "ruining my career." -
From a age point of view sounds like your husband was 15 if he around the same age as you, will even say 17. We all do stupid stuff for sure, some get caught some don't. Heck when I was a teenage I stole at least 20 knifes from a hardware store display along with my friends. We did not get caught, but never did it again as we grew older, and more mature. Things like this happen, but you learn from you mistakes.. Something like this should not be used against a driver especially if it was that many yrs ago... I will say the economy does play a part in it as all companies are being more picky about who they hire, but should not ruin a drivers career because he failed to mention it.. Heck if that was me and it was that long ago, I wouldn't have put it on my app either, as most companies only require you put something on the app that happened in the last 10 yrs..
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....while driving offenses may (after some number of years) drop off of your "DMV report", and criminal offenses may drop off of a standard over-the-counter "criminal background report" (after some number of years), thanks to the good old internet (which you are ALL using at the moment), virtually ANYTHING WRONG THAT YOU GET CAUGHT DOING will be forever preserved for all to see - accidents, civil complaints, medical records, credit reports, criminal offenses - you name it, it's ALL available for the right price.
Trust me, I worked for over a decade as a registered private investigator before I became a driver. That's why all of the stupid stuff kids do today can ruin them for life - one drunken evening at a party, lots of other kids with cell phones snapping pictures, and 15 years later they have a potential employer asking them if they have a "substance abuse problem".
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One thing is certain, the DAC should be more transparent. Any entry on a DAC, good or bad, should require notification. The reporter should be required to document and prove the entry. There should be an annual review of the DAC with the employer.
I am an advocate for personal accoutability. I believe you are basically responsible for everything that happens to you, good or bad. I believe you should learn from not only your experiences but also from the experiences of those around you.
I am also an advocate for honesty. An employer expects you to be honest with them as you conduct your daily activities. I believe we have the right to expect 100% honesty from our employer. Sometimes the truth hurts but I would prefer a little pain than to be blindsided.
I believe it is your responsibility to document your activities and communicate with those you interface with to ensure the same thing was understood by both parties. This can be accomplished by following up a phone conversation with an email highlighting the points of a phone conversation. This email also serves to document the conversation so the other party can clear up any miscommunication or at the very least not deny it later. It is always wise to cc a third party such as your boss or the other persons boss.
Based on what I have read on this board concerning DACs, in many cases they appear to be a rather unscrupulous way for an employer to place blame or outright lie. Some of the stories I read appear to be caused by miscommunication. In some, I feel certain that key facts are left out to gain the readers sympathy and support. But in almost all cases documentation to ensure clear communication would have prevented the problem.
Please don't misunderstand, I am not saying it always works, I am not saying that all truck drivers are bad and I am not saying that all management is bad. I am saying this, many people are really bad communicators. Again, based on what I have read, many times the communication is blocked by bad attitude or "me" attitude. Listen to what is said and then paraphase back to the person what you think they said. If you got it wrong they should correct you. Follow-up with an email to put it in writing. Share that email with your boss or other affected individual. Keep a copy. If they are going to lie about you, make 'em work for it! -
Chief, if you read everything I wrote, I said we went to the courthouse and pulled it up. It was listed on the papers we received from the courthouse. It's fresh in his mind now after someone bringing it up. He forgot about it up until this point.
Chief, there is no contradiction. I said we are thankful to God that he did not get hired on with a company that would use something 35 years ago against a driver. I guess you must not be a driver because you are really critical and think that something that long ago should be held against him. That's ludicrous! He took responsibility when he abided by the judges orders and never repeated the crime. What are you, a recruiter or a dispatcher?
Thank you, Doubledragon, for your nice comments. Why a company would use it against a driver after 35 years, is outlandish! My husband is a good person and would never steal from anyone and now he is being blackballed over a mistake he made 35 years ago. I do disagree about the economy playing a part as there is no way a company should use something that happened 35 years ago against a driver and then threaten to put it on his DAC. The DAC has become a way for a company to get even with a driver for their own personal vendetta to destroy a career. How rotten is that?
fnlou88, my husband also grew up before the net existed for home use. He made one mistake long before we all were able to use the Internet, and now Celadon and their righteous unforgiving attitude want to use it against a driver that many years ago. Drivers beware, because you have no room for mistakes at Celadon!!!Last edited by a moderator: Apr 17, 2009
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Unfortunitly, Celadon is not the only company who will do such a thing. In this case Celadon did it to you and you have every right to be upset. I would suggest however in the future before applying for any company see to it that this is removed, or you will most likely end up in the same situation..
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