An Open Invitation

Discussion in 'Mexican Truckers Forum' started by MexicoTrucker, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. HOLDYOURGROUND

    HOLDYOURGROUND Light Load Member

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    You are correct, Houston and Miami are the largest exporters of junk.. the east side of 610 is loaded with this junk.
    If the Mexican pilot program is allowed, it would spread thru U.S. and under cut rates, look at these border states now, getting out is very cheap rates. Also not to mention Safety. Also do they pay for background checks and meet our DOT regulations that American comapnies oppose on us?
    Im not blaming Mexicans as much as i do American Corperate Greed, but lets face it, American tax payers are tired of being the Mexican Goverments welfare program, Americans are tired of being under cut by Mexican labor.
    Americans are tired of crimes commited by Mexicans.. And now Americans have become tired of disease transmitted thru 3rd world countries.. As and American driver, we get no positives only negatives from this, what does Mexico have to offer? Lets face it you, would be opposed by the majority of American drivers.. Why would anyone want to go where their not welcomed.. Ive never gone to Canda, in a truck.. i make enough right here.. Just curious what are the rates coming out of Mexico, i do know diesel is cheaper, but that will only last so long..
     
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  3. MexicoTrucker

    MexicoTrucker Medium Load Member

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    WCP. You are apparently an intelligent person as are most of us, so don't insult our intelligence by using thoroughly debunked crap from anti trucking groups.

    That link you posted this from is a collaboration of PATT, CRASH and others who are working night and day to destroy the American trucking industry in retaliation for one driver causing the death of some of their family members.

    Mexican carriers are not much different than American and Canadian counterparts. It's a business.

    Canada has much more liberal HOS laws than we do yet we hear nothing about that. When they cross into the US, they are under our laws. Same for the Mexicans.

    Many Mexican carriers pay their drivers salaries. Some per mile, but the majority are salaried. The companies keep time sheets. Haz Mat drivers in Mexico are required to keep log books. That's slowly changing as they adopt some of out practices.

    Drivers that are proficient in English are at a premium in Mexico and during the Cross Border Program, were held to run in this country.

    "Standards", as defined by OOIDA, have nothing to do with anything. What matters, is that Canadians and Mexicans, comply with our laws, regulations and standards when operating in our country. What they do in their is nobodies business but theirs.

    Do they have drug testing? They certainly do. As part of the Mexican CDL process, For cause, random etc.

    Do they have "chain of custody? No they don't! They don't need it.

    When they test for drugs and alcohol as part of the application process for their CDL, it is done as part of the physical and psychological testing at a government facility. Observed collection taken into the next room by a lab tech and tested on the spot.

    Random and post accident. The Feds have mobile drug labs that can be sent to the scene whenever a Federal officer requests it. Again, preliminary testing on the spot by a physician

    Many of the major companies employee a company doctor on site for such testing and physical exams of employees thought to be impaired.

    Mexico has many things in place and has for years that we are just now seeing being crammed down our throats.

    Do you really think a Mexican carrier exec wants to put junk out on the road with unqualified drivers? Remember, in Mexico, an accident is usually a criminal, not a civil event as it is in the US. If negligence is determined on the part of the driver or the company, the driver and a company executive/owner will be locked up for trial. That is Mexican law. The driver can also lose his Federal commercial driving privileges for 10 years to life.

    While it is true Mexico doesn't have the same anal regulatory structure as we do in the US, what they have seems to work. It relies a lot on personal responsibility.

    Driving a truck in Mexico is a ###### good paying job as opposed to other blue collar jobs and these guys know it and respect the limits of their jobs.

    We're talking mainline OTR drivers here. The cross border drayage bunch is a horse of a different color.
     
  4. MexicoTrucker

    MexicoTrucker Medium Load Member

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    1. As part of the Mexican process for obtaining a Licencia Federal, a background check is required. During the Cross Border Program, as part of the PASA, all companies and drivers were subjected to a Criminal background check. As US CDL holders, we are not required to have a background check (Criminal) unless applying for a TWIC or HAZMAT endorsement. And yes, Mexican carriers do check employees references before hiring.

    2. The cheap rates at the moment are supply and demand and mega carriers like Celadon cutting rates on the border to keep their fleet running. I work for a border carrier and during the Cross Border Program, we saw absolutely ZERO effect on our rates or load availability. The tariff's, however, are beginning to hurt us on southbound freight.

    3. One of the biggest lies of this debate is that Mexican's will undercut your rate. How can they? Sure, their drivers are paid less, but that is offset by the cost of additional insurance to operate in the US, the cost of IFTA taxes and other permitting fees, the requirement to maintain and "Agent of Service" in all 48 states. In addition, Mexican companies have fees and taxes we don't have.

    4. Rates? At the moment, Laredo Texas to Monterrey Mexico is paying $450-550 dollars on a 165 mile run. The hundred dollar difference depends if the shipper wants the freight to go by the free road or the toll road. Rates from Laredo Texas to Mexico City and surrounding areas is holding steady at $1250-1400 dollars on a 750 mile run.

    5. Fuel is NOT cheaper in Mexico. FUEL PRICES AT BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE. July average is $7.83 pesos per liter. To convert this 3.82 liters = 1 US gallon. So at Junes price, a gallon of diesel in Mexico costs $2.99 per gallon
     
  5. HOLDYOURGROUND

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    Your points our valid, but for who? We all know this pilot program/driver shortage was created by American and Mexican companies for profit gain. As we can now see unbridled capitalism has been a great mistake.
    American Drivers/consumers will gain nothing from this, just more loss.
    As and American Worker/Tax Payer, I believe its safe to say I can speak for the majority, we do not want this and already suffer for lack of border security.
    The Mexican Gov dont care about America, its all about gain for them also.

    Its time Mexico stops using America as a welfare plan, back in 05 Bush spoke of amnesty, the Mexican Gov hands out phamlets, to this idea. Next illegal border crossings are up 64%. Did you know that it costs $119 a day for American Tax Payer to house and illegal? Did you know Cali spends 23% of its medicade on illegals? Did you know now the Mexican Gov is suing American Gov for breaking its deal with the pilot program??? I think its time that U.S.A. gets some balls back (Damage Control) and stands up to any country who damages us. Forget about open arms, being politicaly correct and corperate greed. Its to much for the American melting pot to handle anymore. I dont have hatered just discontent and disgust. Good luck on your quest!
     
  6. Working Class Patriot

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    How is this "unbridled Capitalism"?

    Mexico is a socialistic state.....
    The Mexican carriers were getting subsidies both in fuel and operation expenses last summer to have an unfair advantage over American and Canadian carriers.

    The whole goal of the program was to use Mexican carriers and place American and Canadian carriers out of business because both expect to be paid the actual worth of hauling a load....This program is not about competition and "Free Trade"....it's about making Mexicans the new "slave class" of the world...

    At least with the program on hold...freight won't go the way of Drayage or dump trucks.....
    If you have lived in California, you'd know what I mean.....

    Several highway project in CA and most of the dumps out there now are "supers" with Mexican plates.

    So much for CAL-Trans using "Americans first"...
     
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  7. equipop60

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    This has to do also with job security for americans. Mexico has laws preventing foreigners from working in their country. As trade jobs get scarcer in part due to illegals working in our country, insourcing, outsourcing, etc. workers are getting into jobs like trucking, only to be short circuited by programs like pilot truck program. Free trade and globalization for the big corporations and screw the american worker
     
  8. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    How dare you make a "racist" statement such as that????!!!!



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  9. MexicoTrucker

    MexicoTrucker Medium Load Member

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    No, actually, these are typical and commonplace Mexican linehaul trucks

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    And this one (Lonestar Transportations Mexican subsidiary)
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    Or perhaps these!



    Or perhaps a different shot of the above. Notice the old JB Hunt cabovers in the background? Used for cross border drayage, and each one owned by this company practically in the same shape as the days that JBH owned them


    Mmmm. Where's the junk?
     
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  10. equipop60

    equipop60 Light Load Member

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    I don't think the condition of the trucks or ability of the drivers is the point but rather what job, profession or business is not at risk of being taken over by cheaper labor countries. Until the housing boom crash in California most of the construction was latino and I know for a fact a high percentage were illegal. Unions didn't care. All they cared about was membership. Its a business for them. Same will happen with trucks once this pilot program gets going again. We've left our country wide open for cheap labor, cheap imports etc. and the workers, their children and their grandchildren will be competing with third worlders.
     
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  11. Working Class Patriot

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    Let us too remind people...A US citizen has to jump through hoops to live and work in Mexico....Mexico actually enforces its immigration/Visa laws... Unlike the U.S. where even bin Laden, would receive an "Open Invitation" and a handshake from the liberal controlled government....
     
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