So, apparently Cressler (a.k.a "Mr. Positive") doesn't want me posting in "his" thread anymore, so i had to bail.
Thus, i've decided to start my own thread on the very topic as a continuation of the discussion.
So, anyways, i did another scientific count of trucks this time from mm 200 eastbound on I-70 in ohio all the way to the line (Wheeling, WV) with further analysis. This is about 28-30 miles. Hey, what else are you going to do floating along at 55mph in ohio?
unidentified/independant/or owner operator 30
National Carriers 1
ozark 1
navaho 2
buske 1
barr-nunn 1
foward air 1
robinson transport 1
mast trucking 1
walter transport 1
falcon 1
pgt 1
fedex custom critical 1
fedex ground 3
old dominion 2
pohl 1
werner 2
raider express 1
new century 3
united van lines 1
nfi 1
salon(?) 1
O/O leased to marten 1
hartt 1
crete 2
crst 2
O/O leased to schnieder 1
schnieder "regular" 1
USF glen moore 1
Ace air freight (peterbilts!) 2
USA carriers 1
yellow/roadway 1
england 2
us express 3
trans am 1
prime 1
kllm 1
transport america 1
smith transport 1
swift 1
north american van lines 1
dowdy 1
JB hunt 1
ups 1
john christner 1
carnes 1
cti 1
walter transport 1
knight 1
91 trucks total
NOTES:
1) Again, if i couldn't make out what was on the door, then i put them in the "unidentified/independant" category. Also, again dumptrucks, straightrucks and anything else requiring a commercial drivers licence but did not fit the conventional tractor-trailer was put in this category; Interestingly enough, i did not see any greyhounds.
2) This was only the westbound traffic on I-70 in eastern ohio from mm 200 to the state line (wheeling west va.), about 28-30 miles. i did not count the eastbound traffic. And, i only counted moving traffic---i did not count parked trucks at rest areas or truckstops.
3) Interestingly, Fedex ground, old dominion, New century all had the most/multiple trucks at 3,2,and 3 respectively and they are all small package or LTL companies.
However, the truckload carriers, Navaho(2), crete (2) werner(2), crst(2)england(2), us express(3) also had more than one truck in this 30 miles stretch.
ANALYSIS BASED ON 30 MILES:
Trucks per mile---3.03
Trucks per 1/4 mile----.758 (there are 120 quarter miles in 30 miles)
In this week's The Trucker newspaper, there was an article that stated that normally on an interstate during normal economics, you will see at least one truck per quarter mile. i counted .758 per quarter mile---at little over 3/4 of a truck.
So, based on this we can possibly conclude that we are operating at .75% capacity (actually a little over .75% capacity) as compared to normal, 100% capacity.
The economy is not going to get better nor are your miles, PT.2
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This is a pretty small sample size, too small to be considered scientific but interesting nonetheless.
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Well, the other freaky thing is, i just re-read and if you'll read my other survey which i did last week---i had posted this in "evil emperor cressler's" post which he has "banned" me from. i did the exact same count, same location----from mm 200 and got 90 trucks! (This thread is in the Anything section)
So this is virtually the same, exact amount of trucks from last week!!!
So, while yes, the sample size is rather small, the fact that the numbers were virtually the same may be vote towards accuracy as far as gauging the economy. -
From what I have been hearing on the trucker channel on Sirius we are still losing carriers (o/o's failing daily) due to soft freight. It has been stated that we still have too many trucks on the road for the current economy.
Kinda funny that for most of my driving career there has been a "shortage" of drivers. CDL schools popped up left and right. Carriers petitioned congress for additional drivers from foreign lands to fill their trucks.
Add in the Mexican cross border program and the plans to reintroduce it again and what we have is a race to the bottom.
A race to the bottom for rates and now wages. Many carriers including my own have frozen pay raises, reduced starting wages for entry level drivers, suspended bonuses, 401k contributions, and even discontinued other benefits in an attempt to stay in business.
Sadly I believe it will get MUCH worse before it gets better. -
Your saying that what Im saying at the beginning of this thread can't be accurate because your counting trucks on OHIO interstates and this is an accurate "heartbeat" for the state of the US economy. Why dont you forward your data to an economist. You will be laughed out of existence. But now if you truly believe it, and it fullfills your soul, then go with it
I realize that your stating your opinion and Im stating mine. So post all you want, its just a thread I started to get feedback, which Im getting.
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Your Highness,
i didn't mean to imply that the observance of truck traffic from east of columbus to the state line automatically is reference to the condition of entire U.S. ecomomy. i'm not shallow enough to believe that.
However, what i am implying here is that this could be one smidgen of proof towards the possible current status(or even upswing) of the entire nation's economy. Since ohio is a normal average state of the U.S., we can possibly extrapolate that their economy is indicative of the rest of the nation, mabye. At the very least, i have scientific numbers, collected and analized scientifically, to back up my assertions.
You can read the articles and watch the news, but where are they really getting their numbers from?
2) Maybe i'm in dreamland but i REFUSE to believe the economy is that bad. i don't feel it's nessesary to feel negative simply because conditions don't warrant it. i am not nessesarily an optimist; For example recently i was near death---that's when i actually felt negative. Topic for another thread. So, i'm capable of optimistic OR Pessimistic thoughts even though i try to look at the bright side in all cases.
My last check, i grossed $1500, this week's check the same and i'm on schedule to do the same for next week's(see my other threads for proof). Now, if the economy was really that bad, how would i be able to do this? Coupled with the fact that i only haul non-essential luxury items---to Columbus, OH no less. (Columbus, OH is not exactly, in my opinion, "moneytown", yet these non-essential items are being gobbled up) -
First of all, I don't really think counting trucks on the highway is an accurate way to determine the state of the economy.
I am glad you choose to believe that the economy is "not that bad", companies around here are going bankrupt, some of us are having a hard time right now, with truck payments and lack of work and rates that keep going down, I don't believe it is goin to turn around anytime soon. I also don't think the trucking industry will be the same afterwards either.
What really makes me mad is that all these big carriers are ruining the industry for everyone by undercutting rates lower than I have ever seen. 5 years ago the same run I used to do paid 1600, now it only pays 800. Simply because other carriers went in there and started hauling for about a buck a mile, I don't know how they can even afford to pay a driver out of that. I wouldn't cross the street for a buck a mile. These shippers must laughing all the way to the bank. All I can say to these big carriers is good luck getting your rates back up when things do get better.
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Statistics say everything about the population, and nothing about the individual. In every statistical survey there will be outliers.
It looks like you are one of those outliers on the high end of the current economy. Good for you, the economy is not that bad for you. For many others (myself included), the economy is terrible. Nationally it is that bad (note the Department of Labor statistics frequently cited on this forum).
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I run coast to coast. Sometimes I-40, sometimes 10 & 20. From what I have seen, there are definitely less trucks on these highways during my shift, which runs from around eight at night to eight in the morning.
On another note. There are many truck stops that are full at night, but also, just as many have plenty of parking spaces available. Not scientific, but parking seems easier to find from my observation.Last edited: Jun 25, 2009
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I said a long time ago the only way the industry was going to be fixed was for a total crash and restart. This might be it.
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