Increased Milage/APU Idea

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by 7mouths2feed, Jun 14, 2009.

  1. pcfreak

    pcfreak Heavy Load Member

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    Not those type of generators. They're a little larger and bolt up to the SAE #5 bellhousing and flywheel found on the small yanmar diesels.

    They're not too pricey either, If I remember right the engines are around 3 grand and the generators are about the same.

    Look up Marathon Electric for the generator ends.
     
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  3. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    For 6k you could get a system and not have to jack with it....Propane Lifeforce or electric koolrig
     
  4. Pawnd

    Pawnd Medium Load Member

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    If he checks my original link and is willing to fabricate some, 3.6 KW diesel genset is 999, gas can be had for much less in $300 range. I not endorsing these as I don't have, but seem to be descent sets.

    Anyway with all the carb stuff and affecting even APU diesels, why aren't we using gas gensets? Hard wire the truck and "Temp" carry and tie-in the gen? What we really need is a fuel cell.
     
  5. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    Personally I would use the gas engine and convert it to propane. Mount it inside a "toolbox". How is that any different than any oner APU. Especially since propane meets EPA and CARB requirements.
     
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  6. BoostedTeg

    BoostedTeg Road Train Member

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    Any idea of when you might complete something of this nature, Great ideas here.
     
  7. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    Not certain of timeline yet. Thats why this thread was started to give and get various ideas so as to eliminate some of the single person pitfalls.

    I have looked at the cost of a Portable genset and size. Someone also asked what happens when there is not enough engine run time to re-charge the batteries. I am looking at this option. Still using my original AC idea of adding an inline electric powered compressor and electric fans for the compressor, using the trucks evaporator and blower. A clone Honda w/electric start is <200, Converted to propane <150 (EPA and CARB approved), Ford/GM alternator <100. Smaller and lighter than a genset and easily repairable OTR. This could be connected this to a low-voltage start relay and you could eliminate 2 AGM's. Smaller, lighter, cheaper and self sufficient, even on a 34 reset.
     
  8. Pawnd

    Pawnd Medium Load Member

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    Your idea is great on an older truck, but would guess on newer ones would have to be OEM installed. Or automatic voiding of OEM warranty.
    Onan makes propane gensets for RV's. Understand is more $$ but that is for 4kw.
    AC is great and I understand your focus because of your location. Your system doesn't cover heat.
    I had heard carring the propane tank is an issue????
    If not a radiant pipe infared propane fired heater???
    Any calculations on actual load, steady state and peak?
     
  9. Pawnd

    Pawnd Medium Load Member

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    I think the issue becomes fuel tanks and HazMat. :biggrin_25511:
     
  10. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    Propane is carried on RV's all the time. You can carry up to 50 gallons in an approved DOT storage tank without issue...You would need a max of 2 20lbs tanks and you can swap them out at everywhere.

    Total weight. The total allowable weight of a MOT is 440 lbs. per vehicle. As a side note, it is important to remember that a vehicle towing a trailer is considered a single vehicle. So again, the 440-lb. rule applies to combination units. The amount is important because the driver must know the total weight of all hazardous materials transported on his/her vehicle.
    Example: A welding company transports a cylinder of oxygen and a cylinder of acetylene to a job site.
    Acetylene is a Hazard class 2.1 flammable gas and oxygen is a hazard 2.2 nonflammable gas. Each cylinder must be 220 lbs. or less and the total combined weight for all MOTs must be 440 lbs. or less.

    The US Department of Energy, Division of LPG Land Transportation and
    Storage Safety makes the following interesting safety comparison:

    "Individual Risk to Specific Fatal Incidents"

    Motor Vehicle Accident.........................................1 in 4,700
    Air Plane Crash (as a passenger).........................1 in 140,000
    Struck by Lightning................................................1 in 1,375,000
    Struck by Tornado..................................................1 in 2,450,000
    Dam Failure/Rupture..............................................1 in 6,300,000
    Air Plane Crash (as a person on the ground).....1 in 37,000,000
    Propane Storage or Transportation Incident......1 in 37,000,000



    As to your comment on running my system in newer trucks I got my idea from the PonyPack APU. I just modified the idea to include an electric compressor and the electric fans on the truck condensor.


    Heat Issue is taken care of with a PTC radiant heater. This idea came from koolrig.
    2 of the 300 watt units would thouroughly heat a 72" condo and cab
     

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  11. MedicineMan

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    my concern would be battery life with the electric compressor, fan for the condensor (i would just remove the condensor from the radiator and mount it behind the bunk with a small electric fan on it) and blower motor.

    I know electric AC in hybrid electric cars drains the battery packs fairly quickly.

    As for your cycleing on and off..... most trucks don't have much insulation and once you hit about 85 degrees the ac pretty much runs full blast all the time just to stay cool
     
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