Increased Milage/APU Idea

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by 7mouths2feed, Jun 14, 2009.

  1. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I have seen a truck with a rather large propane tank and a roof mount RV type AC unit, if I see him again, I'll ask him what he is doing.

    He might be running something like you are thinking about.
     
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  3. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    If the tank is that large he may also be running the propane injection system.
     
  4. etcetera

    etcetera Bobtail Member

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    I haven't checked in for a while. One last thing I can contribute, in the RV world, most owners report significantly better mileage running the generator to power the house AC instead of using the dash AC while under way. I don't know how accurate it is, but I've heard that the average AC compressor on a car is large enough to cool a house.

    It's not quite the same, but I'm consistently getting about 5% better mileage on my pickup by removing the AC compressor. I never even used it because the system had a leak, just that belt spinning the clutch. BBC with the weird half serpentine and half v belt system. The AC was on a V Belt.

    If I was going to buy a generator to run on a diesel truck, I'd buy a diesel generator. There are quite a few models out there, even here in Kalifornia.
     
  5. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    Etcetera, this is precisely why I intend to run the electric compressor as my primary source for AC. I don't know how much energy is used from the motor to turn the AC compressor but, the fan pulls 30-50 hp. Thats a significant draw and reduction in milage. My stock alternator is 135 amp, which should have no trouble keeping up with the addition of the electric compressor and electric fans while still providing full battery charge. If not then I'll upgrade the alternator.
     
  6. Powell-Peralta

    Powell-Peralta Road Train Member

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    OK, the guy is Robert Jordan who was overdrive trucker of the year in 06. i can't give the link to his site on here, but i can pm you.

    i think his ideas are more up your alley in that he is oriented more towards going completely electric whereas people like me prefer generator power.

    i'm not saying electric isn't the best way---it may very well be. It's just that i'm more familiar with generator--inverter power and it would just be quicker for me to set up.
     
  7. Markvfl

    Markvfl Road Train Member

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    Here's what I did. Installed a Coleman Polar Cub 9500BTU RV roof mounted unit, with heat strips, for $1,475 including labor. It has a shore power outlet also. Bought a used Honda EU3000IS gen set for $1,000. Had a custom aluminum bracket built for gen set for $475. Total investment to date is $2,950 and it's been working like a charm for 5 - 6 months. SUPER QUIET. Burn 1 1/2 to 2 galons on an average 8 to 12 hour night. Drawbacks - the EU3000 is not CARB compliant as the 2000 is but the 2000 will not handle the start up surge of 1800-2000 watts required. When the unit is running it draws 1100 watts. Hauling gasoline is a pain but I can often pull up to a pump and fill the gen set and 5 gallon can. I'm curious if a propane conversion like the one I saw on EBAY will be a CARB legal deal? All Flying J's have propane as they are in love with RV's. Other drawback is no remote, but the is one on EBAY for $229 just haven't ordered it yet.
     
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    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    Hey Mark thanks for stopping in and telling us what your running. According to the APU that is run on propane it is EPA and CARB compliant
     
  9. stocktonhauler

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    I'm surprised that the manufacturers haven't already put electric fans for engine cooling, since well constructed computer controlled electronics have proven to outlast the best mechanical. Plus, they can provide more precise control and speed. My Honda has two electric fans, one for the motor, and a secondary for the A/C, and these variable speed fans can continue as needed even after the engine shuts down. Fan clutches don't do that. With a bigger alternator, computerized recharge of deep cycle batteries, and a variable speed compressor motor on the a/c system as well, a more efficient a/c in the cab can be provided regardless of whether or not the engines running. As you say, using a belt driven compressor seems like a drag on the engine hp while a brushless alternator isn't.

    Given the huge surface area of sleeper tractors and trailers, I would like to see a role for solar power that also helps to reduce radiant heat that enters the cab in summer. I wanna be able to wake up in the morning and have the truck turn over regardless of the battery drain the night before. If the sun is high, why can't solar help trickle charge the batteries while on the road? Unfortunately, right now, solar is very expensive and wattage to low though...
     
  10. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    Stockton I had also considered solar as once the initial cost is absorbed there is no more expense. The problem I found was efficiency. You need a huge array of solar panels to keep up with them calculated demands. You still would need some way of charging the battery pack when solar wouldn't keep up. It was kind of like the reefer linksystem. Solar would be fine as long as you had your own van to cover the roof with panels. If your a flatbed then your stuck. That is why I chose the propane recharge system. It still burns fuel but it can be used reguardless of what you haul.

    I have hit a snag and could use some help. I need a low voltage relay design that would trigger the electric start on the APU motor. Anyone have any ideas please help...

    I also am having trouble determining if the "chosen" AC compressorwill be equal or better than the stock truck compressor.. AC guys I need help....
    Here is the spec sheet for the electric driven compressor thats available. I don't know if this will be sufficient or if I should look at driving a different compressor with the same soft start motor. Hopefully this will work as all of the fabricating for connecting and mounting the unit is already done. Please refer to the following table:
    Voltage/ Speed/ Capacity/ Pressure/ Working Current/ Starting current
    12VDC 1600RPM 1.2KW 0.7MPa 34A~6A 1.5MPa 50A 1.7MPa 60A

    24VDC 1600RPM 1.2KW 0.7MPa 17A~3A 1.5MPa 25A 1.7MPa 30A
     
  11. FunkRider

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    Not sure if I can post the link but search Mcmaster-carr in google. They have anything and everything you could need to build your project.

    What about using an electric motor to power the trucks factory ac compressor? You could setup a dual drive system on it. Engine to clutch to compressor and electric motor to clutch to compressor. Instead of having a clutched pulley on the ac compressor you mount it on an idler pulley that goes to the ac compressor with a fixed pulley. Then have an electric motor that has a clutched pulley on it run to another fixed pulley on the ac compressor.
     
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