Hair And Drug Testing Rule Could Become Public Early 2020

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  1. Tb0n3

    Tb0n3 Road Train Member

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    Maybe they filled the prescription and didn't take them so the doctor thought they were dealing.
     
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  3. tampadedicated

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    That may apply now, but not 10yrs ago because that’s pre-opiate epidemic and at that time they did not do that.

    That all started when people started dying left and right from oxycodone’s and state/local governments started putting the squeeze on doctors prescribing them.

    Now, they can only have a certain number of patients prescribed the medication, can only order so much per month, manufacturers can only make so much, and they changed the pharmacy pickup points to I believe a 5mi radius of either the doc office or home residence.
     
  4. REO6205

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    Wow. Thanks for looking that up. That could be a mess. I wonder about the validity of the hair test if a person wasn't pure African American. If a person was one quarter or one half that might also skew the test results.
    I'd also wonder about Native Americans and if their hair would be similar.
    I'm half American Indian, one quarter African American, and one quarter Irish. My hair used to be black, now its all gray. I wonder how I'd test out.
    Ah well, better minds than mine are working on it and I'm sure that we'll find out some day. One thing for sure, a lot of lawyers and government people will feed on that particular trough for quite a while.
     
  5. Ridlingdj

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    This happened in north Carolina she didn't tell them that she called because I refused to refill and continue taking my medication she said that I haven't gotten my refills so she wanted them to go by to do check to make sure I was alright even though she just talked to me that morning about it and i told her I refused to refill or continue taking it after I realized what it was and she got mad I told everything to the cops and showed them the phone call and my phone used to show how long we were on the phone and they just left me alone after that I have never been back to her office after that but I did have enough refills to take 1 a day for a year
     
  6. Dino soar

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    Well our government is kind of crazy so I guess Anything is Possible.

    Even though the rights of drivers have been pretty much trampled Every Which Way, I don't see the hair test as becoming a legal DOT Test.

    First of all, as listed above, ethnicity could play a role in that. And if ethnicity is involved NAACP will be involved civil liberties will be involved the whole world will be in an uproar if it's an ethnic situation.

    Second of all, the object is for the driver not to drive under the influence of whatever it is. They do not have a test for being under the influence of marijuana so they have to test for metabolites.

    However, a hair test has nothing to do with your current state of inebriation. It's actually quite the opposite, because it's looking way back to see if you ever have been inebriated with an illegal substance.

    That is really getting away from what the drug testing at least originally was supposed to be, you keep people from driving under the influence of whatever.

    Lastly, the Clearing House is going to be exactly that. It's going to clear out a lot of drivers in this industry. I remember one place that I worked at, they told me that I would be shocked if I knew how many drivers failed the pre-employment. Now that is pre-employment that they knew they were going to be tested, not a random test.

    If they begin hair testing, many many many drivers and wannabe drivers are going to get knocked out.

    But I guess at least the rates would go up then because there'd be half the drivers or however many put out of commission.

    Honestly, as far as what would be best for this whole industry, really if they legalize marijuana and they had a way to test for inebriation instead of metabolites, that would benefit the whole industry greatly.

    Marijuana is by far the most used illegal drug. If they really want to attract younger drivers, they are not going to want to have their life regulated in that way. That's just the way that it is.

    And if you take a young person that's under 30 years old and tell them we're going to take a hair sample that would tell us anything you've done within the last 90 or however long, easily 50 to 75% would fail.

    And if you gave that same hair test to all of the yahoos in Congress and the FMCSA that pass all these laws and rules probably 90% of them would fail.
     
  7. stuntman69

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    The powers that be said that the scientific issues behind the problems have been resolved.
     
  8. Dino soar

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    Actually now that I've had a few minutes to think about it, I could believe they would do that.

    They will just say that it's in the name of safety and it's illegal and you're not supposed to do it therefore if you have done it you are penalized period. End of story.

    No one will be able to fight it on the basis of racism or the Constitution.

    They just plain wield too much power for all of that.

    They will do whatever they feel like doing and no one will stop them.
     
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  9. stuntman69

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    Oh yeah. I know may drivers that gave up weed to get a job...now, people who gave it up 3 months ago will still be denied a job. Plus go into the clearing house database and will never be able to get a job. The CDL school money will be wasted.
     
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  10. kemosabi49

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    The problem I see with a hair test for pre-employment Is that the results will be uploaded to the clearinghouse. A prospective employee may well be from a weed legal state, and while not in a regulated safety sensitive position smoked weed some months before the test. To say he failed the pre-emp test because is this is b.s. and I am sure it would be challenged in court. This is way different than the way some companies are trying to thin the herd before subjecting them to the real test.
    I'm sure this thing will be delayed as it works it way through the courts.
     
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  11. stuntman69

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    Exactly. How can you violate a company policy without being employed by the company?
     
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