Surprised at Prime Lease Purchase

Discussion in 'Lease Purchase Trucking Forum' started by texasmorrell, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    Wait a second. The money posted on your card has NOTHING to do with fsc or fuel cost. it's a cash advance, nothing more.
     
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  3. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    Unless you are strictly running the i5 corridor there is no excuse to be paying 3 bucks a gallon for fuel.
     
  4. Rooster1291979

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    The amount of money I get for fsc is based on national fuel average x the fuel surcharge rate x loaded miles. The fsc changes based on national average and loaded miles.
    You can call it an advance, that's not what we are talking about. The point is, if you take the fsc minus the cost of fuel you shouldn't be anywhere near .90 per gallon.
     
  5. Gearjammin' Penguin

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    Consider that when you operate on their financial level, you get bulk deals on the trucks themselves. Billy Bob Bigrigger with his 10-truck fleet isn't going to have the buying power of a corporation that buys 1000 trucks at a time.
     
  6. texasmorrell

    texasmorrell Medium Load Member

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    What are you paid for the linehaul before fuel surcharge?
     
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  7. texasmorrell

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    Nor the fuel discounts, nor the tire discounts, nor the insurance discounts, nor the contract rate negotiating strength etc etc. The 75% they give their contractors is on average more than the 100% I get for my loads on the spot market. Especially by 2019 rates. Plus I never have to talk to a greasy slimy broker ever again. That bonus alone is worth a pay cut. Had the same basic set up at Mercer and I really loved it. Too bad they were skimming and fired me for asking questions. If they hadn’t I would still be at Mercer right now. Oh well I can’t complain. I got the title to my trailer and a big fat check. But the more I talk to Prime and check their numbers and talk to some other contractors working for them right now I really like what I see. So far the only people saying anything negative aren’t giving me any detailed examples. They just say they don’t like Prime or they don’t like leasing on to other companies. But I’m telling anybody who reads this, the days of the one truck operations are going away. I’ve been seeing it coming for a while now. It’s why I leased onto Mercer a few years ago. The insurance underwriters are going to drive all of the small operators out of business. If they don’t then the greedy brokers giving us pennies per mile will finish us off. We just don’t have the negotiating strength to get the rates we need. So yes I am trying to bend over backwards to find something good about the leasing situation. If I can’t find anything good then I’m going to have to change careers in at this point in my life that’s just not feasible.

    Here is an interesting article to support my position. Texas-based flatbed carrier with 260 trucks shuts down, citing insurance costs - FreightWaves
     
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  8. texasmorrell

    texasmorrell Medium Load Member

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    That’s what I thought when I looked at it. I’m glad somebody else saw that. I’m going to call ATS just to verify I wasn’t reading it incorrectly. But a .46 fuel surcharge is just too unbelievable to be true.
     
  9. Rooster1291979

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    I dont know where or why you keep quoting .46 fsc. I gave you the links to figure out fsc for yourself.

    My average was $2.51 per mile all miles for the year. After expenses I made $1.33 per mile all miles. I never did linehaul only per mile calculations.
     
  10. MysticHZ

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    FSC is revenue ... nothing more, nothing less. Applying it to a cost of fuel is just an exercise.

    Companies can break up line hual and FSC however they want.
     
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  11. texasmorrell

    texasmorrell Medium Load Member

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    Brother I’m just gonna have to admit I don’t know what you’re talking about. I quoted $.46 FSC because that’s what you quoted. $2.51 per mile and $1.33 per mile after expenses isn’t bad. But based on the numbers I’ve seen at Prime I should be able to do that over there or better. So whether I am paying $.90 per gallon or making a profit of $.90 per gallon on fuel like you apparently do, as long as the average per mile rate is high enough I guess it really doesn’t matter. All I know is there are thousands of contractors at Prime driving brand new trucks and still paying their bills. The same can be said for a lot of other reputable large carriers.
     
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