Recent DOT Inspection AAR

Hulld · Feb 1, 2020

Hulld said: ↑

So you are saying my stand alone VDO roadlog ELD that transfers data in inspection mode at the road side by printing the data on paper to hand to the officer is non compliant?
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I only see where section D states that you must be able to transfer upon request per the ELD instructions.
It doesn’t state electronically or physically?
Am I missing something?

MidwestGator · Feb 1, 2020

Hulld said: ↑

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I only see where section D states that you must be able to transfer upon request per the ELD instructions.
It doesn’t state electronically or physically?
Am I missing something?
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Yes it would be non compliant if it does not transfer.

MidwestGator said: ↑

This is mandated in the final rule but simplified in this statement on our site:

According to the ELD rule technical specifications, an ELD must support one of two options for electronic data transfer:

The first option is a "telematics" transfer type ELD. At a minimum, it must electronically transfer data to an authorized safety official on demand via wireless Web services and email.

The second option is a "local" transfer type ELD. At a minimum, it must electronically transfer data to an authorized safety official on demand via USB2.0 and Bluetooth®.

To ensure that law enforcement is always able to receive the hours-of-service (HOS) data during a roadside inspection, a driver must be able to provide either the display or a printout when an authorized safety official requests a physical display of the information. This is mainly for local PD that doesn’t have access to our eRODs software and can’t see the electronic transfer.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2015-12-16/pdf/2015-31336.pdf

https://eld.fmcsa.dot.gov/File/Open/21d96879-324e-1f2f-e053-0100007fdfb5

Drivers not able to transfer could be cited for 395.24(d)

You should be able to confirm with your carrier safety manager or by calling your local FMCSA division but the information is right there in the final rule which became effective Dec 16.
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Studebaker Hawk · Feb 1, 2020

buzzarddriver said: ↑

And what would you reply be to a driver who told you at the end of the inspection his/her 14 hour clock had expired while in the inspection bay?
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I will take that one. You can work past 14 hours, just not drive on a public highway. You would have to tell the officer what is happening, and logically he will let you park somewhere at the scale. If he doesn't, note his badge number, drive to the nearest safe place to park and make a note of it on your ELD. No different than running out of hours at a shipper or consignee where you would be able to drive PC to the nearest safe place to park.

MidwestGator · Feb 1, 2020

buzzarddriver said: ↑

And what would you reply be to a driver who told you at the end of the inspection his/her 14 hour clock had expired while in the inspection bay?
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The first thing we do is check logs, if the driver was close I’d ask him where he was planning on taking his 10 (or 8 depending on if he logs under split sleeper). If he wanted to use our lot at the scales no problem, if not, his inspection report and proper remarks on the ROD would prevent a violation. We aren’t out to get anyone despite how it seems.

buzzarddriver · Feb 1, 2020

Thank you MWGator for the response. Having a direct response from someone who has authority rather than an "i heard it at the lunch counter" means a lot.

Chubby Fly · Feb 1, 2020

MACK E-6 said: ↑

First of all, the donut comment was rude and uncalled for.

Second, you expect a LEO to just let a substandard truck and driver continue down a public highway? Does the phrase “dereliction of duty” come to mind?
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to be honest, i dont know of anyone that had a roadside inspection where the cop was polite and just checking things out on a safety level. Always seem to have a chip on their shoulder and like to nit pick when they cant find anything major. Treat people with respect and you will get it in return. Maybe this cop is one of the good guys. OR maybe he isnt. But i understand where the hostility comes from.. Unless you haul to sesame street everyday, we deal with angry dot cops with chips on their shouler

MACK E-6 · Feb 1, 2020

TheLoadOut said: ↑

If they are the exception rather than the rule why do we see this so often? Cameras are an attitude adjuster and a savior. I have 3 on board, in immediate sight. I'd be the first to admit if I made an error, but I'm not going to be talked down to or disrespected.
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For every prick that might appear on Youtube there are ten that are professional and do their jobs with honor and integrity.

JonJon78 · Feb 1, 2020

Chubby Fly said: ↑

to be honest, i dont know of anyone that had a roadside inspection where the cop was polite and just checking things out on a safety level. Always seem to have a chip on their shoulder and like to nit pick when they cant find anything major. Treat people with respect and you will get it in return. Maybe this cop is one of the good guys. OR maybe he isnt. But i understand where the hostility comes from.. Unless you haul to sesame street everyday, we deal with angry dot cops with chips on their shouler
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I've had probably 6 roadside inspections my career so far and have been treated with respect each time. Never was a traffic infraction committed on my part, the stop was strictly for an inspection...

I think lots of you guys roll around with your super truck mentality that you have and just dont like authority of any sort. Even before the officer comes up you've already got your mind made up that he has a chip on his shoulder and is harassing you.

MidwestGator · Feb 1, 2020

Just to clarify any misconceptions, 95% of our job as investigators has nothing to do with drivers direct. Based on ‘data’, we investigate carriers that get our attention. I won’t go into the algorithm or process for selection, but it’s not one single element that causes us to show up at someone’s door. 5% of our job is to maintain our Inspection certifications which means we must do so many each year. FMCSA gives grant money and training to state LEO to do it day to day and I agree sometimes you just get the trooper that hates his job.
If you’re lucky enough to get a Fed you will typically have a smooth interaction because we don’t do them for the citation $.

jammer910Z · Feb 1, 2020

Smile and be polite.
Have your documents in order and ready to go.
That tends to make the transaction go smoothly.

If you begin by pissing on his boots.... it's all downhill from there.

He's got the authority, the badge, and the citation book.
Dont make it worse for yourself.

Cooperation, Professionalism, and politeness go a LONG way.

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