12.7 Series 60- Issues after rebuild

Do you have the injector calibration codes written down anywhere? If not, and if they take the valve cover off, have them make a note of each. They can check by plugging in the ecm if they’re set to the proper settings. Might be expensive at the Dealership. At least get the codes if you don’t already have them, for future use if needed.

 

Joey I don't know if you mentioned this somewhere through this thread but when they rebuilt the engine do you know what piston set they used? Can you find out?

I thought there was some issue with those engines that when they rebuilt them they used a different compression ratio for increased emissions or something? Does that sound familiar to anyone?

I think if that's the case your ECM has to be reprogrammed for that and your injectors have to be calibrated also.

@Rideandrepair I'm sure knows more about that than I do.

 

They probably used the original 15:1 pistons. They’re required by law to upgrade the ecm to the LO NOX program. I don’t know what all is involved, but for sure the timing is retarded,(opposite of advanced). That causes the excessive white smoke on start up, after they’ve been rebuilt. It’s harmless, goes away once warmed up. They later (1999) upped the compression on pistons to 16.5-1 to combat the white smoke. I think the egr engines have even higher 17:1 pistons. Lo Nox was required on all engines built after Jan 1 2000. Pre 2000 engines were Grandfathered in, till overhauled. The way to avoid the white smoke is to rebuild with 16.5:1 pistons. My 1998 PK engine had 15:1 pistons. My current 1999 BK engine gas 16.5:1 pistons. Both have the new style pistons with floating wrist pins. The only thing you need to know is what type pistons, old Trunk style bolt in, or new style floating wrist pins. They can tell by looking once the oil pans off. Also be able to see the oil cooling nozzles if equipped. If not, they can also check if the blocks been drilled, and capped. If so, you can have them add oil nozzles, while the pans off. It’s easy, 2 bolts each. Either way, you’ll have a good idea what parts were used, and at least know what you got.

 

That's not your fault that's exactly the way it's supposed to work.

And if you don't have it right there on the invoice one phone call to them they should happily go into their computer and be able to tell you whatever you need to know.

There should be some kind of pinned thread, if that is permitted, somewhere that people vouch for repair shops in different areas of the country that are reputable and knowledgeable.

I would trust the members on here if it was somewhere that they frequented and have used for some period of time or you could judge for yourself if they've only used them once or whatever the situation is.

I hate to see anybody ever go through this.

It's not too much to ask for someone to just do the job that they tell you they can do.

 

Joey none of this is your fault my friend. Those scumbags raked you over the coals . You have every right to be angry at them, even if that is not the best way to handle things, you still have every right to be angry.. God forbid you should pay that much money to have a job performed and God forbid they should execute that job to what you want done. We aren't talking a couple hundred dollars here. Not that that matters anyways. You pay for something to be done and it doesn't get done , you have every right to be upset about that. And the business you paid to perform that job, has a duty to serve their customers with the agreed upon terms of the transaction. They fell short, that is not your fault. This could've happened to any of us here.

I think I speak for most everyone here , we are glad you are sharing what happens every step of the way. It helps many of us out even more than you know.

It seems there is not a God #### competent person that works in a shop anymore. They simply don't give a #### because it ain't theirs and as long as it works at least half assed when it leaves out their shop door it is a job well done as far as they are concerned... but that ain't how my great grandpa woulda handled business nor my grandpa - they woulda made it right if a customer had problems.. Because they cared about their people and they cared about doing the best job possible. That generation is gone now. And been replaced by incompetent imbeciles who may very #### well know their way around a motor and a shop but they don't give 2 ####s about their customers at the end of the day. And these scumbags you had the pleasure of doing business with speak for the majority of how shops handle business anymore it seems. They charge 200 an hour to do a half assed job then when you have problems with their work. it turns into "oh well, #### you pay me"... it's a testament to Why so many experienced owner ops try to drill it into us young guys heads to learn how to turn wrenches and work on our own junk because nobody is going to put the care into it that the older generation of mechanics did.... It's why I'm going to be doing a full inframe myself on my isx here in the near future... at the very least if I #### it up . I have Nobody to blame but my own dumb ###... and I'm completely ok with that... but I can not stand when u pay someone to do a job, and they don't understand when they half ### that job, why their customers become angry... a guy like that has no business being in business...rant over.