14 Hour HOS Question

See that I’d what I was thinking, kinda. Instead of getting time added back to the 14, not actually added but frozen as you say, I thought it required being in the sleeper for a minimum of 3 hours, not 2 since you can extend the 14 hour day to 17 hours.

14+3=17

 

I think FMCSA's original intent with the rule was, if you were in SB, you could extend the 14 hr to 17 hr, if you could show that time in SB.

I do not think the 8 hour break was mentioned in FMCSA when it came to split rules

 

I think most ELD have a button on screen so you can switch and run on the split sleeper rule or not. If you switch it to split sleeper it won’t show anything different till you get 2 or 3 hours in sleeper.

From what I remember you can’t run over the 11 or 14 hour on any end of log book. So if try to figure it out in head the first one is kinda easy because if you stated day and drove 4 hours then took 2 hours on sleeper. You would extend your 14 hour 2 hours and still have 9 hours driving time left. I think after that it’s very difficult to keep figuring out HOS with the ELD. The EDL should show after 2 hour and 1 minute or 3 hours the new driving time. Some guys got in trouble because they did not take or forget they needed the 8 hours sleeper at the end but I could be wrong maybe 8 hours sleeper and off duty can be combined.

 

https://www.ccjdigital.com/business...os-rule-allows-drivers-to-pause-14-hour-clock

Your 14 hour clock is getting paused during the smaller split break.

 

The shorter portion of split sleeper must be at least 2-3hrs and can be mix of sb/od; the longer portion must be at least 7-8hrs and can only be sb; together, they must add up to at least 10hrs. So 2 and 8, 2.5 and 7.5, and 3 and 7 (or any other fraction in between); but 4 and 8.5 work too for example.

Both breaks will “freeze” and extend your 14; you don’t start getting time back until taking the second complementing split sleeper break.

 

I got in trouble for using split sleeper before hometime; took a nap otw home, went off duty for a week. Came back and immediately took off… Log Audit sent me a msg saying I still needed to show 7hrs in sb…

 

Exactly...


You can extend up to 17hrs with the split rule, but you still must do a 10 to regain your break, unless you want to go on line 5, personal conveynce, where you cannot advance a load.

 

OP, you pause the 14 hour clock as soon as you hit the 2 hour mark.

You can extend further than that. The only restrictions on the split is that the short break has to be at least 2 hours and the long break has to be at least 7 hours in the sleeper, provided the two breaks add up to at least 10 hours.

The easiest way to understand splits is to remember to look at the last two of each on duty and off duty period. The last two on duty periods must meet the 11/14 rule, and the last two off duty periods must meet the restrictions noted above.

 

Before we talk about completing the split I want to make sure I understand what happens if only the short break happens. Otherwise, I’m still confused.

So in regards to only being in SB for a period of at least 3 hours, but less than 7 hours would the following examples be correct? If, not which one and why?

Sorry for being so dense. In the past I’ve heard beaucop conflicting explanations. Because I have never fully understood how to apply the rule I don’t use it. But, if it could beneficial I’d like to start.

Thanks

Ex. 1
On duty 15 mins
Drive 2 hrs 45 mins
Sleeper Berth 1 hr 59 mins
Remaking time left on 14 = 10

Ex. 2
On duty 15 mins
Drive 2 hrs 45 mins
Sleeper Berth 1 hr 46 mins
Remaking time left on 14 = 10 hrs

Is it correct to assume that the moment before time in sleeper became 2 hours, the workday clock would essentially be 10 hrs 1 min?

Is it also correct to assume next moment when time in sleeper became 2 hours the workday day clock would freeze and remain frozen for at least 6 more hours (2+6=8) if sleeper berth is not interrupted?

Please limit response to specific questions I asked. Depending on on that being either yes or no will determine my next question. I’m trying not to get ahead of myself.

Thanks in advance.

 

The remaining time is wrong here... It's 14:00 - (00:15 + 2:45 + 1:59) = 9:01

Now, the instant you hit 2:00 or more that changes to 14:00 - (0:15 + 2:45) = 11:00

Also the short break does not have to be in the sleeper.

Your math is off again. Remaining time is 9:15 here.

yes, but 9:01

Yes, once you been off duty 2 hours, the 14 hour clock pauses. But look at the regs:

Note there's no maximum on the length of the off duty part of the split, nor is sleeper required for any part of the short break.