2001, 379, how do you remove headliner to find water leak?

Discussion in 'Peterbilt Forum' started by Mr. Cob, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Light Load Member

    Howdy All,

    I recently (December 13th) bought a 379, I bought the truck in Minnesota, the inside of the cab was DRY. I drove the truck to my home in Washington, where I live right up against the west slope of the Cascade Mountains it rains 89 inches a year here, that is NOT a misprint it starts to rain in October and it doesn't stop until late May.

    Long story short, water is puddling in the extreme right hand corner of the cab way back under the dash right up next to the firewall. I can't see any evidence of leakage on the inside of the cab nor can I see where it could be leaking from the outside but I suspect from what I have read its either coming in from around the windshield or from the clearance lights or horns on the roof.

    I am also seeing the floor getting wet under the drivers seat and from the drivers door toward the drivers seat, again I don't see any place the water is coming from.

    So I have been looking at the headliner but don't see any obvious fasteners, any tips on how to remove the headliner with out wrecking it and tips on where to look for water leaking that's wetting the area around the drivers seat sure would be appreciated. Thanks.

    Dave
     
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  3. LoJackDatHo

    LoJackDatHo Medium Load Member

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    I would start by using a garden hose and running water around the windshield seals and watch for a leak. If after you are sure it is or is not the windshield, move up to the sun visor bolts where it attaches at the cab. Same thing. Then Move up to the cab lights and air horns. Try to find it that way before removing headliner. It could save you a lot of time and headache. Also check the sleeper/cab boot. Could be running in there as well. Hopefully you find it doing this. If not, then start ripping the interior out if you need to. Just my .02
     
  4. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Light Load Member

    Howdy LoJackDatHo,

    Thanks for your reply. Its raining here every day, all day, I haven't used a hose but I suppose I could give it a try, can't see water running anywhere, its just wet. If it is leaking from the clearance lights or the horns unless the headliner is removed I don't know how I would see it.

    Dave
     
  5. Klleetrucking

    Klleetrucking Medium Load Member

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    I can only speak for a '03 379 but I'd imagine they're close if not the same. Mine has cubby holes above the windshield, they are removed with 4 screws each, then the plastic facia around the radio. This will allow you to "fold" down the upholstered panel, it's held in place by velcro "buttons. You may consider pulling the radio if your's is up there. You can then look around with a strong flashlight.

    IMO, there's only a few places where water can get in (provided the cap isn't cracked).
    1. Windshield, had mine replaced at a pro shop, went back twice. Their solution was silicone, TOTALLY unacceptable. I now have only one shop that I allow to put the windshield glass in. I'm confident you've the ability to do a leak check.

    2. Marker lights and gaskets. They're mounted with rivnuts and I got lucky that everyone backed out.

    3. Air horns, luckily, mine have never leaked. Your mileage may vary.

    4. Extra info, on my '03 the "A" pillar covers are a snap fit. Remove the trim over the door, then take a glass shop nylon "prydriver" and tease it out.
    Unless you've lived a charmed life the windshields do not come out unbroken

    I started to drop my headliner ONCE. I decided I would rather change my religion first.

    BOL, and please keep us posted.
     
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  6. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Light Load Member

    Howdy Klleetrucking,

    Thanks for your reply. The Pete is a whole new animal to me, I love this truck but had I known it was a leaker living where I do, I would have seriously thought about not buying it. I'll have a look at the areas you suggested and see if I can spot anything. I don't have a shop or anything where I can get the truck under cover so standing out side in the rain and taking things apart to look for loose or leaking fasteners is not something I really want to do.

    If I had to earn my living with the truck I'd just take it in to a shop and throw money at it as I use it to tow a large RV if my wife would ever quite working I'd just fire it up drive SOUTH where its warm and dry and not worry about it. :)

    Dave
     
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  7. special-k

    special-k Road Train Member

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    The way Pete used to check for leaks at the dealer was to close up everything tight put both fans on high and use soapy water and spray around lights, roof cap, windshields etc. Sounds like it wouldn't work but thats what they did. They had to reseal all my cab lights and the sleeper roof cap. The lights were easy. The roof cap not so much lol. Btw if you pull the dash panels you should be able to see water streaks on the firewall if the windshield is leaking. The wetness under the heater box could be coming through were the a/c lines and heater hoses go through the firewall.
     
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  8. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Light Load Member

    Howdy special-k,

    Thanks for your reply. That is very good information I would have never thought of cranking the fans up on high and spraying soapy water from the outside. I have had most of the dash apart looking for leaks and haven't seen any indication of water running down the firewall. I have most of the lower dash panels out now as I am tapping into the air application gauge air line to run an air line to the brake controller that will work the RV trailer brakes, while all those panels are off I was looking for leaks.

    I am "ASSUMING" that if water is leaking from the roof clearance lights or horns it must first be running under the headliner before it can run down a wall. Like I said above the Pete is a new truck to me its build quite different then my Freightliner so figuring out to look behind the dash and other parts of it are at this time quite the challenge. Thanks for your tips.

    Dave
     
  9. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    Maybe try something like this. Hook a 1/4 plastic air line up to shop air compressor. Run it through the boot next steering shaft or something like that. Use a hand pump up sprayer with cheep liquid dish detergent or bubble bath liquid. Put the air to it and spray it down while looking for bubbles.
     
  10. Mr. Cob

    Mr. Cob Light Load Member

    Howdy BoxCarKidd,

    Thanks for your reply, that's another good idea I would have never thought of pressurizing the inside of the cab to look for a leak on the outside of it, this should work even better when turning the fans on as well.

    Dave
     
  11. cptdragn

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    Pulled my headliner down to repair water leaks. Got tired of it leaking out of the light and onto my leg when raining. Seems someone tired ( and did a sorry job ) to seal the lights and horn. When I pulled the screws out of the lights, the one that you see me patching was only holding on with silicon. 3 of the 4 lights had water in them. Just decided to pull them al off, clean up the mounting area and reseal. With a little luck this will stop the roof leak. Now, to track down the windshield leak. Included a few photos to show what inside looks like sans headliner and how horn air lines are run.
     
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