2008 780 D13, coolant flushed and refill, now heater not working. Bleed or something?

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  1. justsomeguy

    justsomeguy Bobtail Member

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    As part of the process of trying to track down exactly where diesel is making its way into the coolant, (fuel filter housing is possible, injector cups of course, cracked head, hoses/connections etc) we drained all the coolant and filled with pure water to flush... But we've discovered the heater isn't working now. It's still full of water instead of coolant/mix. We want to figure out what's causing this before we drain again and put new coolant in.

    I've noticed that if the coolant gets low enough while on the road, the heater will stop working (I'm talking dash/A/C climate control heater here), but topping off the reservoir fixes this. But... it's full. Filled it, ran it, topped it off, etc. It's not overheating.

    We do think the normal low coolant sensor is bad now - could there be some sort of solenoid that lops off the heater core loop if the engine control thinks the coolant level is low?

    Any ideas?
     
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  3. baha

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    Find out where the coolant or water is going, take a oil sample to see if fuel or water is getting into oil, leave a tarp under truck and run it at hi idle for a time to see if any water is leaking when eng. gets hot enough for the rad. fan to come on?
     
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  4. justsomeguy

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    We're still not sure how the diesel is getting into the coolant (my money is on cups, but who knows) but the heater came on. Guess it just needed to run for a while or something to prime or debubble the lines through the heater core?

    Working now, regardless, just no closer to knowing where the leak between fuel and coolant systems is.
     
  5. nasriza

    nasriza Road Train Member

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    99% the diesel in the cooling system is coming from cups probably soon you're going to have a hard time starting the truck in the morning possible might need an injector or two
     
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  6. justsomeguy

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    If it's been sitting for a while it's a sort of hard start now, with a lot of shuddering and stuttering for a very short couple of seconds before it smooths out.

    The weird part is, though, that it was driven home yesterday, about 220 miles bobtail, and got 14mph. (55-58mph, not sure how fast he was going.)

    Wouldn't cups affect fuel economy?

    This -expletive- truck has soaked up something like $40k in repairs in the last three years, it's ridiculous.
     
  7. nasriza

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    It happens I always say it's the cost of the truck business possible it could affect fuel but what is happening you're cups are letting the fuel from the rail come their the copper or print and in the cooling system one way to tell for sure check you're water separator I should have coolant inside for sure this is not a super expensive fix it cost no more than 1500 maybe 2 k most of the time even less if u do it in a smaller shop but the ones that do it are very hard to find specially for Volvo engine
     
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  8. justsomeguy

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    There was coolant in the separator, but not a whole lot.

    There was a THICK layer of fuel in the coolant overflow tank, which is the primary reason we drained and flushed. Forgot to mention that I think.

    I think we're going to make it a habit of draining the separator every other day or so, it seems to reduce the amount of fuel that gets in the coolant. Not sure on that, but gonna try.

    And yeah, if we can't track it down, it's gonna go in the shop for cups. He ordered the housing/mount for the separator to replace that, in case that's the problem, but it didn't come this weekend. Another 5 days of running this week and then we can park it again and take some stuff apart.
     
  9. nasriza

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    In my opinion I have done cups on Volvo a #### ton of times and everything you're describing is cups I dont thinkbu should waste the money one the separator but it's up to u obviously another 5 days shouldn't be a big deal but it's just going to get a lot worse and when u go to the dealer for this kind of problem they usually replace injectors with it to and then it gets to be extremely expensive I've actually pulled this cups off with holes straight they the copper between fual rail and coolant. I wouldn't be to worried about the fuel in the cooling system as I would be about the coolant in the piston and after everything is said and done u have to flush out cooling system with restore or dish soap run the truck dump it out and repeat with water till everything gets cleaned up and refill also if u have to replace injector u have to write down calibration code and program into the Ecm for better performance
     
  10. snowwy

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    if your leaking fuel in to the water. and you have a water leak. it must be a pretty servere water leak.

    i had my truck towed in becuase fuel was leaking into the water. which means overfilling the coolant system. and if ran. blowing out hoses and what not. as the cap didn't release the excess pressure.

    also, there are diagnostic charts to go through to pinpoint the fuel into water sympton. advice would be to get it to a dealer or a detroit shop. and get the problem fixed before the engine gets ruined.

    as for the heater, if water gets low, the heater quits. don't know what the threshold is. as trucks will hold as much as 15 gallons. but cars only hold 6 quarts. and all it takes to lose heater is 2 quarts loss. that means 1/3 capacity.
     
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  11. Sauisk

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    I am brand new to this forum. I've gotten countless good advise here, but this is my first post. I apologize if this is not the right thread but I couldn't find any other closer to my issue and I cannot post a new one yet. Newby question. I need help identifying these two curved hoses going into the firewall on the passenger side. I believe they are the heater hoses and I do have a small leak at the bottom but I don't know if they carry coolant or remove ambient water, or something else. Engine is Volvo d13 2009, ishift. Thank you all!
    Hoses 1.jpg Hoses 2.jpg
     
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