2013 ISX 15 CM2250 Low acceleration, power, and mpg.

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by TheOgre, Oct 11, 2019.

  1. uncleal13

    uncleal13 Road Train Member

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    A good cleaning of the EGR system may be a start. Rawze has videos of that. If it is not working fully the system senses the reduced flow and may reduce power to compensate.
    It is not complicated to do, just very messy.
    Also check the intake system for boost leaks. Charge air cooler leaking.
     
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  3. TheOgre

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    We just borrowed a buddies Inline 6 Data connector to perform our tests and such, and weren't able to drive with it connected. We are looking to potentially buy a Data Connector of our own if the cost offsets what we would spend at a dealer. As far as regen frequency, I can't tell you the exact parameter setting until I get back to a Data Connector, but it seems to be fairly infrequently. It seems pretty standard, and almost never occurs while I'm driving, although it has once before at a weigh-station. Unsure about the DPF and DOC, possibly something we will look into doing.

    It seems to regen just fine, and doesn't seem to frequent or long lasting. It definitely feels lacking in power, and it's struggling to pass 35mph on even 6% grades, as I can't get enough power to shift up.

    I definitely think taking it to a dealer is an option for those kinds of things. We aren't looking to tweak with anything specific in the calibration, but to simply update the calibration with what Cummins provides for our CPL. Do you think it could be as simple as that?

    We have looked into the delete, but considering this is a used truck we just acquired not long ago, we don't wanna f with it too much. Besides, when we first started running, MPG seemed fine around 6.5-6.8. but has gotten worse, power was never there though. We haven't had any engine or ECM codes at all, so we have nothing to go on as far as diagnostics.

    We have Cummins Insite on our machine, but we don't actually own the Data Connector yet as it's quite a purchase to make if we don't absolutely need it yet. (Looking like we might though)

    Will definitely look into a forced regen! Thanks!
     
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    Reason for edit: Changed 45mph to 35
  4. TheOgre

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    This is exactly what we are working on today, pulling the EGR system and cleaning all the carbon out, as most anything we've pulled seems to have a good bit of carbon build-up, but not completely plugged anywhere, we'll find out today though. Do you think it would limit it so far though? The truck is literally struggling up hills unless it's in a lower gear which seems completely unlike what this engine should be outputting.

    We have checked the intake for boost leaks, 28PSI is maintained at the intake mainfold through heavy-load situations, we have leak tested from the turbo to the manifold, and there were no noticeable leaks anywhere in the system. Seems the CAC, turbo, intake manifold, and hoses are all airtight. This was one of our first thoughts as well.
     
  5. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    You're not gonna go up a 6% grade at 45mph with a heavy load.
     
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  6. TheOgre

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    That's actually a typo, I meant 35 mph. A fellow operator has the same engine as mine, with similar loads, can pull no problem up the same hills I can at full speed. So it seems to just be an issue with mine alone. I'm not looking to speed-queen up the mountain, but when every other truck is passing me, and I'm only able to go 30-35mph, it's not a great situation.
     
  7. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    There's lots of big hills I go up in 7th at 25 mph if I'm near gross. 8th at 35 mph is very common. I have 450/1650. If you want more than that, you're gonna need a bigger HP rating.
     
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  8. spsauerland

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    It doesn't take much of buildup in the Venturi tube to throw off Delta P readings and start the cycle of way to much EGR flow. More EGR flow equals less power and more fouling of air management and after treatment. Rawze has good YouTube videos and take no short cuts. Clean it all.
     
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  9. Tx Countryboy

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    Pulling homestake pass, lookout or Snoqualmie pass with a 450 hp. Not fastest but she's steady.
     
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  10. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    Mine is too. I run the west and Rockies 80% of my time. That's why ask what rear end gears he had. I have 3.58.

    Nobody is going up those big hills when loaded very fast. There's probably a small % of dudes running some 600HP super engine, but that's not gaining them a whole lot.

    That new hill on I-11 between Boulder and Henderson will test your motor. Went up that a dozen times this summer at about 78K. Outside temp was 110 to 112. Couple times I dropped it into 6th as my temp gauge didn't want to go below 220.

    You wanna roast your motor and hang out wrenching on it with the boys, more power to you. I got freight to move.
     
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  11. Intothesunset

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    I wish I could help. But I hope the fuel pump has been check or replaced, cm2250 is notorious for carbon packing that leads to dropped liners as well. You may end up rebuilding that engine to suite your needs. And a Non emission isx can do well with fuel mpg. There is a nice tune for 425hp, 2300tq but that is a lot of torque. Also the fuel actuators can go bad and test good. Do not buy Reman fuel actuators.
     
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