21yo hauling Locally, 90K+

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by razorcbl, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I think your $90,000 a yr salary is inflated! $45,000 is going to be far more like it.
     
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  3. xXDarthVaderXx

    xXDarthVaderXx Light Load Member

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    I strongly agree. I believe he said, $90,000.00 after expenses! That is very impressive. Especially since fuel prices are through the roof. Oh, I forgot, fuel is not an issue with you.:biggrin_25512: By all means, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to pull the trigger on that one. :biggrin_2552: Hmmmm. Man it sure is hard to be good in these forums.

    Why step in it when you can walk around it? Sometimes you just wanna tell people you smell it! Sometimes people are full of it? What am I?


     
  4. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    21 and you despise working for "other" people???
    Your life hasn't even started yet any already you have placed yourself at an disadvantage.
     
  5. xXDarthVaderXx

    xXDarthVaderXx Light Load Member

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    I bet this guy would take that offer.


    "Troubled truckers: Owner-operators fear high fuel costs, stalled freight rates will run them off the road"

    Saturday, March 1, 2008
    BY ELLEN SIMON
    AP BUSINESS WRITER
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    BURNING MONEY "I'm a man who's trying to make a living for my family and I'm not succeeding," says trucker Robert Griffith.


    Trucker Robert Griffith is on the road three weeks out of four, pulling oversize loads like crane booms, railroad ties and air conditioning ducts. One of his biggest worries: How he'll find the money to buy his daughter a prom dress.

    LIVING TOTALLY DIFFERENT

    As the cost of diesel doubled over the last four years, his take-home pay has plummeted, from $50,000 to $11,000 last year. He's literally burning money; he spent $64,000 on diesel in the last eight months. Since he canceled his satellite radio, he's on citizens' band radio constantly, talking about what needs to change so truckers like him can survive.

    "I had to learn to live totally different," said Griffith, 41, of Lebanon, Tenn.

    No more $150 family outings to Shogun sushi. No more weekly washes for his Western Star 4900 EX truck. No more health insurance for him and his family.

    "It hurts," he said. "I'm a man who's trying to make a living for my family and I'm not succeeding."

    Trucking's owner-operators, the self-employed drivers who haul everything from Hummers to hay, are suffering. Many say they're running on the edge of bankruptcy, about to disappear unless they get help. While a wave of trucking failures now might be invisible to consumers, when the economy rebounds, it would push up shipping rates, helping increase prices.

    RUNNING IN PLACE

    The housing downturn and decreased consumer spending have cut into loads; the extra trucking capacity is pushing down freight rates. Diesel prices, which are always higher in the winter, have hit such highs that Truckinginfo.com runs ads for thief-stopping fuel-tank locks.

    "If you can run all week without a flat tire, you're a little bit ahead, otherwise, you're basically just running to put the money right back into the fuel tank," said trucker Benjamin Stanley, 40, of Spotsylvania, Va. "Truckers are in the same spot farmers were in a few years back."

    Reposessor Nassau Asset Management repossessed 110 percent more trucks in 2007 than it did in 2006, according to president Edward Castagna. And it's taking less time to pick up a truck, which he sees as a sign that there's less work to keep them on the road ' and out of his repossessors' reach.

    "It used to take weeks, now it takes days or hours," he said.

    Industries that depend on independent truckers, like logging, are starting to suffer. Maine Gov. John Baldacci declared a civil emergency at the end of November, speeding fuel tax reimbursements for logging truck operators and asking the Department of Transportation to identify roads that could tolerate logging-truck weight, allowing truckers to take more direct routes and save fuel.

    About nine percent of the nation's 3.4 million truck drivers are independent owner-operators, according to the Department of Labor. Without the independents, trucking will turn into a group of "regional and national oligopolies" that would send shipping prices higher when the economy improves, said John Saldanha, who teaches logistics at Ohio State University.

    A Baird & Co. research report said the one positive note is the likelihood of more bankruptcies could eventually push freight rates up for the survivors.

    FEELING MARGINALIZED

    Truckers, who felt unappreciated in the best of times, say they feel even more marginalized now.

    Rumors of a nationwide truck strike are a nearly annual occurrence, but an effort in January generated more talk than usual on MySpace and the Sirius satellite radio show "Freewheelin'."

    Nanette Jenkins Rudd, 40, a third-generation trucker based in Mapleton, Ill., kept her five trucks off the road the week of the strike. "I pray that this strike is successful, so that we only have to stop rolling for a week ' and not forever," she said.

    Like other truckers, she's hoping for government help. "The government stepped in and helped the farmers when they were in trouble," she said. "Why? Because the farmers feed America, the farmers put food on the table. But who do you think delivers that food?"

    Truckers say they want caps on diesel prices, or tax credits for truckers, as well as increased regulation for the middlemen who broker truck loads.

    DEPENDENT ON BROKERS

    Independent truckers are increasingly dependent on freight brokers, who match shippers with drivers one load at a time, taking a cut for themselves. At one of the country's largest brokers, Landstar System, revenue from brokered loads was $881.57 million in 2007, more than double what it was four years before. But the company said it paid less for transportation in fiscal 2007, while its revenue per load was nearly flat at $1,612.

    Jim Gattoni, Landstar's chief financial officer, said payments were lower because volume was lower. Drivers carrying brokered loads from the company earn between 80 and 90 percent of the value of the freight they carry, he said, depending on the weight and complexity of the load. "Our margin, at the end of the day, is seven percent," he said.

    At brokerage Web sites, freight rates are where they were in 2002, said Roger Carpenter, a Binghamton, N.Y. trucker who hauls dairy and chickens. The middlemen behind the boards "are so competitive, they chop each other's rates up like hungry dogs trying to get a scrap of meat," he said.

    Truckers complain that the brokerage system is unregulated and lacks transparency: They know what they're getting paid, but they don't know what the shippers are paying the brokers.

    Griffith, who's been driving a truck for 20 years, stopped working with brokers six months ago and started hauling specialized loads, which pay $2 or $3 a mile more than standard. Not that it's helping.

    Three-quarters of his pay is going to fuel and maintenance, up from half in the past. And how much work he can cram in is regulated, with the number of hours he can drive capped by federal regulations at 11 a day, all of which must be recorded in a log book.

    Griffith longs for the old Teamsters Union boss Jimmy Hoffa, who led truckers in their most powerful and profitable years. Hoffa disappeared in 1975 and was declared presumed dead in 1982.

    "We need to band together instead of fight each other and somebody needs to help us do that," he said. "I wish Jimmy Hoffa were still around."

    If only fuel wasn't an issue for any of us, wouldn't life be grand!
     
  6. razorcbl

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    I would be compensated for Gas in addition to Weekly hauling which would equate to about $2500 Pre Tax. X 52 Weeks
    = 130k Thats where i get my numbers


    + Insurance Taxes and truck payments would take about 40k out of the equation. Gas is not a concern here as it is local (about 80 miles round trip) and im being compensated for it.
     
  7. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Semi trucks burn diesel not gas. :D



    Every business I've had actual wages and/or profit came to about 1/3 of the gross.

    Until I see on paper other wise i stand by my estimate of $45,000 not the $90,000 you are hoping for.
     
  8. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Here is an article by a guy thats been trucking far longer than I have. It backs up what i said about 1/3 of the gross going for driver/owner wages and profit.


    http://driversmag.com/cover/dollarsandsense/owner_operator_independent_driver_030206/
     
  9. razorcbl

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    Well i calculate the weekly invoices for the 1 truck that is doing these loads.

    This past week we received $520 Gas and around $2050 for the loads.

    I have been sending out invoices every week. since May of 07 and receiving checks on those amounts, depositing it into the bank account, and paid a few bills so i really think its real money.




    I guess i will post the excel sheet once i start driving to prove it...
     
  10. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Post up after you've been at it for a yr. There are a lot of other expenses that come into play. Maintenance, tires, repairs ect etc!


    I know at your age high hopes are in charge of your thought process. At my age and Tim Brady's reality is more in charge of the thought process.


    If you can make a $90K salary good for you. You are one of the very rare ones. But I wouldn't run out and buy that big sports car and the yacht just yet.
     
  11. farmbig_01

    farmbig_01 Bobtail Member

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    Lets see here. Some rough figures.

    $2050 gross per week
    subtract
    $520/week fuel
    $140/week insurance
    $50/ week for plates
    $400/week payment (50K for 3yrs) ((dads is paid for but is this second one gonna be?))
    $150/week maintance (thats a lil low)

    So roughly $1250/week in expences. That only leaves $800/week net. Based on a 50 week running year thats 40K per year like everyone else is sayin. And this is prolly the best case scenario also.

    I'm 25 with my own authority, runnin all local runs and gettin ready to put the 4th truck on the road. I dont drive any of the trucks myself, just keep everything runnin smoothly. So... yeah, been there done that.
     
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