24 or 34 hour restart ?

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  1. Smellfunny

    Smellfunny Road Train Member

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    That is all I did was a google search for oilfield exemption (which I thought there was) and found the information. I know zip about the current regs. I just work on them now and listen to drivers talk about the HOS.
     
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  3. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    In my opinion, they should get one gimme. :)
     
  4. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    I knew about the waiting time exemption, but wasn't aware of the restart provision. Completely missed that one.
     
  5. mickeyrat

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    § 395.8Driver's record of duty status.(a) Except for a private motor carrier of passengers (nonbusiness), every motor carrier shall require every driver used by the motor carrier to record his/her duty status for each 24 hour period using the methods prescribed in either paragraph (a)(1) or (2) of this section.(1) Every driver who operates a commercial motor vehicle shall record his/her duty status, in duplicate, for each 24-hour period. The duty status time shall be recorded on a specified grid, as shown in paragraph (g) of this section. The grid and the requirements of paragraph (d) of this section may be combined with any company forms. The previously approved format of the Daily Log, Form MCS-59 or the Multi-day Log, MCS-139 and 139A, which meets the requirements of this section, may continue to be used.(2) Every driver who operates a commercial motor vehicle shall record his/her duty status by using an automatic on-board recording device that meets the requirements of §395.15 of this part. The requirements of this section shall not apply, except paragraphs (e) and (k) (1) and (2) of this section.(b) The duty status shall be recorded as follows:(1) “Off duty” or “OFF.”(2) “Sleeper berth” or “SB” (only if a sleeper berth used).(3) “Driving” or “D.”(4) “On-duty not driving” or “ON.”(c) For each change of duty status (e.g., the place of reporting for work, starting to drive, on-duty not driving and where released from work), the name of the city, town, or village, with State abbreviation, shall be recorded. Note:If a change of duty status occurs at a location other than a city, town, or village, show one of the following: (1) The highway number and nearest milepost followed by the name of the nearest city, town, or village and State abbreviation, (2) the highway number and the name of the service plaza followed by the name of the nearest city, town, or village and State abbreviation, or (3) the highway numbers of the nearest two intersecting roadways followed by the name of the nerest city, town, or village and State abbreviation.
    (d) The following information must be included on the form in addition to the grid:(1) Date;(2) Total miles driving today;(3) Truck or tractor and trailer number;(4) Name of carrier;(5) Driver's signature/certification;(6) 24-hour period starting time (e.g. midnight, 9:00 a.m., noon, 3:00 p.m.);(7) Main office address;(8) Remarks;(9) Name of co-driver;(10) Total hours (far right edge of grid);(11) Shipping document number(s), or name of shipper and commodity;(e) Failure to complete the record of duty activities of this section or § 395.15, failure to preserve a record of such duty activities, or making of false reports in connection with such duty activities shall make the driver and/or the carrier liable for prosecution. (f) The driver's activities shall be recorded in accordance with the following provisions:Code of Federal Regulations486


    (1) Entries to be current. Drivers shall keep their records of duty status current to the time shown for the last change of duty status. (2) Entries made by driver only. All entries relating to driver's duty status must be legible and in the driver's own handwriting. (3) Date. The month, day and year for the beginning of each 24-hour period shall be shown on the form containing the driver's duty status record. (4) Total miles driving today. Total mileage driven during the 24-hour period shall be recorded on the form containing the driver's duty status record. (5) Commercial motor vehicle identification. The driver shall show the number assigned by the motor carrier, or the license number and licensing State of each commercial motor vehicle operated during each 24-hour period on his/her record of duty status. The driver of an articulated (combination) commercial motor vehicle shall show the number assigned by the motor carrier, or the license number and licensing State of each motor vehicle used in each commercial motor vehicle combination operated during that 24-hour period on his/her record of duty status. (6) Name of motor carrier. The name(s) of the motor carrier(s) for which work is performed shall be shown on the form containing the driver's record of duty status. When work is performed for more than one motor carrier during the same 24-hour period, the beginning and finishing time, showing a.m. or p.m., worked for each motor carrier shall be shown after each motor carrier's name. Drivers of leased commercial motor vehicles shall show the name of the motor carrier performing the transportation. (7) Signature/certification. The driver shall certify to the correctness of all entries by signing the form containing the driver's duty status record with his/her legal name or name of record. The driver's signature certifies that all entries required by this section made by the driver are true and correct. (8) Time base to be used. (i) The driver's duty status record shall be prepared, maintained, and submitted using the time standard in effect at the driver's home terminal, for a 24-hour period beginning with the time specified by the motor carrier for that driver's home terminal. (ii) The term “7 or 8 consecutive days” means the 7 or 8 consecutive 24-hour periods as designated by the carrier for the driver's home terminal.(iii) The 24-hour period starting time must be identified on the driver's duty status record. One-hour increments must appear on the graph, be identified, and preprinted. The words “Midnight” and “Noon” must appear above or beside the appropriate one-hour increment. (9) Main office address. The motor carrier's main office address shall be shown on the form containing the driver's duty status record. (10) Recording days off duty. Two or more consecutive 24-hour periods off duty may be recorded on one duty status record. (11) Total hours. The total hours in each duty status: ff duty other than in a sleeper berth; off duty in a sleeper berth; driving, and on duty not driving, shall be entered to the right of the grid, the total of such entries shall equal 24 hours. (12) Shipping document number(s) or name of shipper and commodity shall be shown on the driver's record of duty status. (g) Graph grid. The following graph grid must be incorporated into a motor carrier recordkeeping system which must also contain the information required in paragraph (d) of this section. Code of Federal Regulations487


    [​IMG] View or download PDF (h) Graph grid preparation. The graph grid may be used horizontally or vertically and shall be completed as follows: (1) Off duty. Except for time spent resting in a sleeper berth, a continuous line shall be drawn between the appropriate time markers to record the period(s) of time when the driver is not on duty, is not required to be in readiness to work, or is not under any responsibility for performing work. (2) Sleeper berth. A continuous line shall be drawn between the appropriate time markers to record the period(s) of time off duty resting in a sleeper berth, as defined in §395.2. (If a non-sleeper berth operation, sleeper berth need not be shown on the grid.) (3) Driving. A continuous line shall be drawn between the appropriate time markers to record the period(s) of driving time, as defined in § 395.2. (4) On duty not driving. A continuous line shall be drawn between the appropriate time markers to record the period(s) of time on duty not driving specified in § 395.2. (5) Location—remarks. The name of the city, town, or village, with State abbreviation where each change of duty status occurs shall be recorded. Code of Federal Regulations488


    Note:If a change of duty status occurs at a location other than a city, town, or village, show one of the following: (1) The highway number and nearest milepost followed by the name of the nearest city, town, or village and State abbreviation, (2) the highway number and the name of the service plaza followed by the name of the nearest city, town, or village and State abbreviation, or (3) the highway numbers of the nearest two intersecting roadways followed by the name of the nearest city, town, or village and State abbreviation.
    (i) Filing driver's record of duty status. The driver shall submit or forward by mail the original driver's record of duty status to the regular employing motor carrier within 13 days following the completion of the form. (j) Drivers used by more than one motor carrier. (1) When the services of a driver are used by more than one motor carrier during any 24-hour period in effect at the driver's home terminal, the driver shall submit a copy of the record of duty status to each motor carrier. The record shall include: (i) All duty time for the entire 24-hour period;(ii) The name of each motor carrier served by the driver during that period; and(iii) The beginning and finishing time, including a.m. or p.m., worked for each carrier.(2) Motor carriers, when using a driver for the first time or intermittently, shall obtain from the driver a signed statement giving the total time on duty during the immediately preceding 7 days and the time at which the driver was last relieved from duty prior to beginning work for the motor carriers. (k) Retention of driver's record of duty status. (1) Each motor carrier shall maintain records of duty status and all supporting documents for each driver it employs for a period of six months from the date of receipt. (2) The driver shall retain a copy of each record of duty status for the previous 7 consecutive days which shall be in his/her possession and available for inspection while on duty. Note:Driver's Record of Duty Status.The graph grid, when incorporated as part of any form used by a motor carrier, must be of sufficient size to be legible.The following executed specimen grid illustrates how a driver's duty status should be recorded for a trip from Richmond, Virginia, to Newark, New Jersey. The grid reflects the midnight to midnight 24 hour period.[​IMG] View or download PDF Graph Grid (Midnight to Midnight Operation) The driver in this instance reported for duty at the motor carrier's terminal. The driver reported for work at 6 a.m., helped load, checked with dispatch, made a pretrip inspection, and performed other duties until 7:30 a.m. when the driver began driving. At 9 a.m. the driver had a minor accident in Fredericksburg, Virginia, and spent one half hour handling details with the local police. The driver arrived at the company's Baltimore, Maryland, terminal at noon and went to lunch while minor repairs were made to the tractor. At 1 p.m. the driver resumed the trip and made a delivery in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, between 3 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. at which time the driver started driving again. Upon arrival at Cherry Hill, New Jersey, at 4 p.m., the driver entered the sleeper berth for a rest break until 5:45 p.m. at which time the driver resumed driving again. At 7 p.m. the driver arrived at the company's terminal in Newark, New Jersey. Between 7 p.m. and 8 p.m. the driver prepared the required paperwork including completing the driver's record of duty status, driver vehicle inspection report, insurance report for the Fredericksburg, Virginia accident, checked for the next day's dispatch, etc. At 8 p.m., the driver went off duty.

    So OP now you know how to properly fill out your log. As to your ACTUAL question...................................
     
  6. NewNashGuy

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    nm wrong topic
     
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  7. MNdriver

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    Unfortunately, when Mr/Mrs. DOT comes and discusses matters with you and gives you an invitation to go discuss the matters with a Robed figure, ignorance of the law will be no defense.

    Each driver should have a decent grasp on the contents, (notice I didn't say memorized) in the little green book to go and find their answers.

    Starting at 395.8 would have shown you about the HOS Regs. And since you work in the oil fields, would have led you to that exemption.


    But what do I know, I'm just a dumb ### truck driver.
     
  8. mgrib

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    I have read the "little green book" book but my confusion comes from the distinction between oilfield operations and property carrying . I understand that vehicles servicing the rigs are allowed a 24 hour restart . But as I mentioned before , another driver told me that the 24 is illegal because we get our product from rail cars and if we were to get audited we could get in trouble . I can find nothing referencing rail cars in the book , nor am I able to understand what a rail car has to do with it .
     
  9. MNdriver

    MNdriver Road Train Member

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    mgrib Thanks this.
  10. mgrib

    mgrib Bobtail Member

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    Still as clear as mud ! maybe the driver that said that doesn't know what he is talking about or it could be something specific to Wyoming where we are working . I'll have to ask him where he got his info next time I see him . My company is based out of Indiana and he works for a company that is from Wyoming that is helping us out because we are shorthanded .
     
  11. haulhand

    haulhand Road Train Member

    Are you loading at a rail site and delivering to a well? If that's the case your 24 is perfectly legal now if you were loading at a rail site and unloading at a yard or plant that is not really considered servicing a well so you've got to take a 34.
     
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