2m, 6m, or 10m Ham radios which is best, why

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  1. WA4GCH

    WA4GCH Road Train Member

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    The CONTROL is by crystal syntheszed or not ....
     
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  3. WA4GCH

    WA4GCH Road Train Member

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    "
    When a manufacturer made a CB radio according to the original FCC part 95 - I think it was called part 15 back then, for each and every channel you desired to operate on - you had to have a crystal. "

    INCORRECT ..... It was part 19 and said nothing like that.

    " The V C O - Voltage Controlled Oscillator, what you call a clarifier, is what allows you to tune above and below those frequencies and also in between."

    INCORRECT .....a VCO is not the same as a clearifier however you can use a VCO to get the RIT result ... a RIT ( clearifier ) moves only the receive frequency and is useful only on SSB/CW.

    " The benefit of a cubical quad antenna is that you can get away from the ambient noise by running horizontal - or you can run vertical - and talk local. "

    NO a quad is a closed loop and noise is less in a loop also true you can go horizontal which does have less noise The quad was developed by Radio station HCJB back more than 50 years ago.

    " CB Antenna technology peaked around 1968 when people were not allowed to use amateur radio equipment on the Citizens Band..."

    WHAT :biggrin_25512: When did it become legal to use HAM radios on CB :biggrin_25512:
    And how did this effect antenna design
     
  4. kc0iv

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    due to the fact that you are just a CB'r and that it would be over your head.

    1st let set you straight. I received my first ham ticket (2 year Novice) in 1958. (KN0ZLM). Got my second call in 1967 (Tech) WA0YIT Upgraded to (Advanced) and my call signed was changed to my present call KC0IV.
    I also had a CB license (around 1968) but I don't remember it call sign.

    Secondly, I have had a commercial license since the 1970's.

    I also worked in the electronic industry for several years.

    I doubt that your that much older than I am.

    I remember Radio Shack had a CB radio that was 23 chan and it didn't have 23 crystals. It had one crystal.

    A cubical quad antenna can be either vertical or horizontal polarized. It depends which leg the feed line is attached.

    You don't have to have a ground plane when you use 1/2 wave antenna.

    It has never been legal to use amateur radio equipment on the Citizens Band.

    Quote me one example of the FCC smashing it out in the driveway.


    Leon
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  5. WA4GCH

    WA4GCH Road Train Member

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    I too have a FCC commercial license and have for about 40 years I have wotked in electronics since finshing a 4 year trade school in 1967 ...
    I also hold a HAM license and my first CB license was in the mid 60's
    So I guess if that makes me too just a CBer I can live with it ....
     

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    Stacker and cuzzin it Thank this.
  6. mike5511

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    You Ham guys need to settle down and behave yourselves!!!!!:biggrin_2559:

    Signed,
    "just a CBer":laughing3:
     
  7. WA4GCH

    WA4GCH Road Train Member

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    Dear Just a CBer .....

    Your right :yes2557:
     
  8. KF5EGM

    KF5EGM Bobtail Member

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    The reason people don't use 10 M very much is because of things like that. Most of your standard CB radio and cheaper radios have a lot of "splatter" or spurious emissions, meaning that if it were a bucket of water it would be leaking all over the other buckets, or bands, tainting them. This kind of poor craftsmanship causes problems for others trying to use the other bands. You see radio transmissions don't just disappear, energy has to go somewhere. So since most CB radios are poorly made, and the 10M band is so close, it's often simply avoided. Plus, we often see radio pirates, those without HAM licenses, and people with poor practice on that band...once again, simply avoided. The level of craftsmanship is why we pay more for a nice radio, but you can learn a little about radios and find a few business bands that "tune up" quite well. Stay away from 10 meter if you're starting out in HAM, as a person who's been a ham op for ...4 years I think...maybe more, I'd say that it will lead to bad practice, less contacts, and the reality is that most HAMs have a poor opinion of 10 M. Myself, I'd like to have a 10 meter radio, but I'm not just learning either. You can get all the distance you need with 2 meters or 6, and the benefit of repeaters will work wonders for your becoming a part of the community. Listen to the old timer, there's a reason we even have a special name for those guys, we hold them in high regard because their words are worth their weight in gold. SO...here are my recommendations - based on budget.

    -For a low budget, I'd say get a 2 meter or 2 meter/70 cm (dual band) mobile on ebay. You can get one that will do 50+ watts on ebay for under 200. Look for Yaesu, Alinco, or Kenwood.
    -You might look into a business band 6 meter and ask your friend if he can re purpose it for you, some vendors will do it for you even - the motorola maxtrac is a great one, and myself I have a 70cm (440 MHZ) Midland that was a lot of research, but after I did the research, all it required was a 1990s pc and a cable to reprogram it...easy as pie - just changing the frequencies.

    -if you have a higher budget check out some of the all band all mode radios. Since you're in a truck a lot, you won't need to buy a power supply, you can get power from the truck. SSB will get you into the more techy type stuff, and longer range, though there are some linked repeater systems on fm that span long distances. We have a statewide repeater link up during storms that the chasers use here in oklahoma I think, and that's just 2 meter fm.

    -another option is the all mode single band radio on 6, 2, or even 70cm if you really look...I also haven't mentioned 1.25 Meters aka 222mhz, but there is a bit more involved in that, like notifying the FCC of your use of the band 30 days prior to using it

    An HT is good to have, but as someone who is having to purchase all new gear (except for the 70 cm) (I had a bad ex...) I would say that it wouldn't be my first purchase. My first would be a dual band 50 watt radio, or a 2meter mobile with 50 -75 watts and a 6 meter rig.

    -another thing, don't forget that you can build or buy antennas. Antenna design is a staple of the ham radio world. We don't rely on brute force to get our transmissions to where we want them, we use finesse. It's much better, and more efficient to take advantage of F/B ratio and high gain antennae at 40 watts then to blast 1000 watts of power.

    Remember, the rule of thumb, only as much power as needed.

    I hope my post doesn't sound too flamey, but I just noticed several things being said to this future ham op, and friend, that could cause him to lose his license - forever. I wish you good luck my friend, you'll love the world of HAM - oh...join a few ham boards, and you should have TONS of fun during contesting days and field day, you should try some of the vhf contests - just another reason a 2 meter all mode would suit you, all the travelling you do would put you in the perfect place to do mobile contesting.
     
  9. KF5EGM

    KF5EGM Bobtail Member

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    awww hell i just became part of a flame war...I sowwy!
     
  10. KF5EGM

    KF5EGM Bobtail Member

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    I suggest liquid cooling - like for high end gaming computers. Hell...even a good cpu or case fan works wonders.
     
  11. WA4GCH

    WA4GCH Road Train Member

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    Since I've been on 220 since 1974 do you think they would mind ?

    As for 10 6 2 220 or 440 mhz ..... what do you run on them ?????

    What makes you think your part of any war ?????
     
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