3406 3zJ/7fb rebuild

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    HotRod359 Bobtail Member

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    I’m hearing that the ipd kits remedy some of the weak points on these. That’s probably the route I’m going to end up going just because I can’t afford oem cat.
    But the heads have fixed the cylinder 6 cooling problem, I believe they come with 2 piece steel top pistons. So you would have to do the dual Oiler jet cooler conversion. I think ipd lists the part numbers you need to order for those parts
     
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    Boys I will be honest I have ran some #### hot B models. Watch the gauges and I have never melted a piston. The wider rod of a C model is all hype in my honest opinion. I have covered many miles in a 85 400hp 7fb at 1950 rpm all night at 85 to 90k with a cow bus behind me. My stoutest stock combo was a 5YG which was a 460 peec. We put a 4MG pump on it and a borg turbo...it would hang with most. Thing about a B is timing and overhead set including bridge adjustment.
     
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    @wore out thanks for the insight. I’m on a hard budget here. Not sure if maybe I’m better off just sticking stock 3zj parts in it for now. Just cause I know it’ll run, but it’ll be a boring engine... Then I can rebuild the 7fb I have sitting in the shop with the god stuff
     
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    Well the cylinder kits cost the same either way. So the nozzles will be the extra expense. Just remember nozzles have to match pistons and a C pump will push B nozzles but a B wont push C nozzles very long. All that said I have a good friend that has a mostly stock 3ZJ with a 15 over and 3.55's on tall 24's....thing is a legend around home. Nothing wrong with a 3ZJ when they right
     
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    Turns out the engine in need of a rebuild is a 3ZJ as well.

    Came out of a 1992 Peterbilt.

    Good to know these B models are great pullers when set up right.

    The engine that’s currently occupying the frame space in the 1992 pulls a 5 axle b-train with authority. Better than the 1998 475 hp 6TS 3406E I’m driving right now.

    Except it likes to drink it’s fuel....
     
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    That’s interesting, I have tall rubber on 24’s as well with .358 rears. Double over 13 swapped into a 359. Must be running similar rpm to your friend. 80mph no problem if I had the power for it lol. I usually do 60 anyways tho.
    Do you think the camshaft in the 3zj would be compatible with 14.5 pistons and or8785’s
     
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    Yes.
     
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    The 1992 with the 3ZJ I was told used to have 24.5 rubber which allowed it to go up to 80 mph. Not sure if it’s capable of that with a loaded trailer. More likely while empty.

    It was swapped out to 22.5 rubber but still the same gearing.

    With a loaded trailer, it gets to 65 pretty good but then falls off after.

    The 87 Pete gets to 75 mph with a loaded trailer but it’s not as fast at get up and go as the 92. So likely the governor in the 92’s pump is limiting fuel at so many rpms.
     
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    Both use the 100-7408 or 20R-7546 camshaft. As you noted, difference will be piston cooling jets.
     
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    Thanks for that info I ended up ordering the oem 3zj kit for this build. I’m trying to keep it cheap, and then I’ll rather build the 7fb I have sitting in the shop
     
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