3406C conversation to B

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    Hey guys had some questions about Cats. I have more knowledge about Cummins. This is my first cat and I no the basics. I have a 93 C 4CK15380 AR# 6i3401 350hp. I'm I the process of converting to mechanical like a dum dum I forgot to right down the B injector pump number. I'm 80% sure it's a 7w-5888? anyway question is according to Cat I have the compression, pistons ect... to be able to turn it up with out internal changes. Is that true? Second if I were what nozzle number would I need for a 400-425 hp? Turbo? The truck won't be used daily it's more of a show truck/toy hauler once found out of state. I don't need hp gain persay but if I sell it would increase valve maybe. Any info would be greatly appreciated and I can get pics and numbers for anything you need.
     
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    If it was me I would convert the PEEC pump and timing advance it has to mechanical and call it a day. The PEEC timing advance has 2 set of helix teeth and will advance quicker. The 10 degree PEEC pump cams seem to work better to me than the 11 and 9.5 degree 3ZJ and 8PN that you normally find. I’d most likely leave the nozzles and pistons be hang a good windmill on it and give it a touch of fuel. I will say the way the PEEC advances work if you advance the base timing that 1/4 to 1/2 hole everyone talks about your gonna need pistons sooner rather than later
     
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    I really debated it and the pump I have is a 7W3906 with a 4 bolt timing advance. But sence the motor is a 350hp I wouldn't need to change nozzles to match a pump rated for 425 maybe 450? I don't no for 100% what it came off of. And when you say set base timing what does that mean? All I no is that your suppost to bring TDC #1 pin the flywheel than turn the pump to pin than your timed. But i see alot of people say setting idle timing and advance 1000+ rpm. And what would be a good turbo for keeping everything stock with conversion to mechanical with the pump and timing advance I have?
     
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    A 7W3906 pump could be for anything HP wise. The rack bar and governor housing will work on the PEEC pump you currently have. Nozzles match the piston pump has to match nozzles. So many mis truths to the B and C model debate. You would have to set up the govnor housing according to what you want by arrangement number which his essentially a build sheet. A pump doesn’t know what it is till you install and set the fuel and torque group. The 350 hp pistons may or may not match the 425 same as nozzles. There were a million ways to 350hp and 425 the arrangement number will tell you the way yours is. There really is no cut and dry this is 350hp stuff and that is 425 stuff. Since the nozzles pistons and crack pressure all match on what you have I would use it to convert.

    base timing is pin timing
     
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    So just put everything on and see how it runs? And if there's any problem have the pump recalibrate?
     
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    If you’re dead set on using the 7FB pump you need to know your pistons and see if a B model nozzle will work. I’m gonna guess 15.2 compression but from the early to the late piston design there was some changes above the top ring land. I want to say OR-3423 is the nozzle but I do not know for sure because we don’t know what piston you’re using. This pump is it a 24, 21, 18 or 16 degree pump cam 18 will work 16 be better as the slower the start closer to factory spec you are. People just think oh they are all the same and just because parts bolt up start and run doesn’t mean the same or updated version.

    I need to keep my mouth shut here but ima call it. Within 2 weeks of converting we’re making threads on low power hard on fuel. I ain’t trying to be a dick just see it coming
     
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