40k rears, Super B and BC mountains?

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  1. dustinbrock

    dustinbrock Road Train Member

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    Debating between a tri flatdeck or a super b flat to run western provinces for the next couple months here. I have ran super b 63,500kg tankers in Alberta and Sask for years with my Peterbilt with dsp41 rears with no issues but that's pretty flat ground.

    My thought is I should go with a tri if I want to haul mountains, guessing my 40k rears would just run too hot pulling the mountains with super b weights but I wanted to see if anyone who's done it can chime in?

    Thanks everyone.
     
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  3. not4hire

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    I've never had an axle issue running anywhere; oilfield/construction/pipeline (off-road, soft ground/mud), or coast-to-coast (Vancouver and Prince Rupert to NB), down to Houston, 120* in Arizona, etc. Lots of both, tri and Super-B. Lots of OS. I think they were all Super 40s, which I think are different, but I wouldn't hesitate. I'm sure you know; easy on the throttle, especially when loaded, uphill, low RPM, yadda, yadda, yadda...

    I did blow up an 18-speed though. o_O
     
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  4. AModelCat

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    I'm always confused with 40 vs super 40. I want to say super 40s are a 40k housing with beefier internals.

    I seem to recall @uncleal13 gave some good advice about this exact question a while back.
     
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  5. dustinbrock

    dustinbrock Road Train Member

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    A Peterbilt salesman explained to to me once and showed me the specs. The super 40 has the same crown and pinion gear size as the 46 rears, same housing size as the 46 too, the difference is the 46 rears have a double frame insert and a thicker casing wall. He then showed me 3 trucks side by side and visually I couldn't see the difference between the super 40 and the 46 rears beside the frame insert but the 40 was much smaller.
     
  6. Shawn2130

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    So the Super 40 is built like a 46 but weighs less?

    The only rears I’m familiar with is the regular 40 and 46.

    Just a few weeks ago, I learned there are 52,000 rears under some trucks.
     
  7. Cat sdp

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    Does the super 40 have the same amount of oil as the 46...?
     
  8. dustinbrock

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    20200424_184729.jpg Red is Super 40 Blue is 46k rear.
     
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    I did super B flat deck for a while with a 2006 Century Mercedes MBE4000 450 hp 18 spd, 4.11 gears in 40,000 lbs rears. The rear ends got hot, crazy hot. And this was in the winter pulling Rogers Pass and the Salmo Creston. Temperatures exceeded 300 degrees. I pegged the transmission gauge , it went to 350 degrees. The transmission cooler was air cooled, but it was mounted under the sleeper.
    Later I switched to super B hopper bottom on the prairies. In the summer they would still push 300 degrees on the tough pulls. After two years the bearings gave out in the front diff.
    The last couple of trucks had 46,000 lbs rears, temperatures rarely break 200 degrees. That would only happen on the hottest summer days, 170 being normal.
     
  10. dustinbrock

    dustinbrock Road Train Member

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    Were you running dino oil or synthetic? I definitely dont want to be running those temps at all!
     
  11. dustinbrock

    dustinbrock Road Train Member

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    Painful! I ran 63,500kg in my 2006 volvo with a 465 d12, 18 speed, 46 rears 4:30 on 11r24.5 and its was excruciating to say the least lol. I couldn't imagine running mountains with a setup like that, the jake was useless!!
     
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