5th Wheel location

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Richter, Dec 15, 2013.

  1. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Doubles generate more turbulence and pull harder than the same load in a single trailer because of the extra gap between the trailers, as well as having to be farther back to clear the tractor with a shorter king-pin setting.

    I used to slide up running light or properly loaded, and it helped the lower powered truck do better overall, but I don't change it much, anymore, it is tough to get it set about right.

    I run up to about 12,250 on the steers but usually from 11,600 to 11,900.

    The Columbia usually had the tanks set forward, and with the bull gear driven valve train at the front of the Series 60 engine, tended to be heavier on the steering axle with no trailer and full fuel tanks. Adding more weight from the trailer made being over 12k on the steers pretty common.

    They set them back on the Cascadia with the SCR and DPF stuck up close to the front, and full or empty doesn't make nearly as much difference on the steering axle.

    I run a little more gap than I like, but it doesn't matter as much unless there is a cross wind.
     
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  3. eeb

    eeb Heavy Load Member

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    In the "free world" if you have a sliding subframe on your trailer, you can slide it forward to put more weight behind the trailer suspension. This will put more weight on the trailer tires and less on the drives.

    Richter, if you own the truck, I've had good experiences using Airtabs to help clean up the airflow in the gap. Cheaper and easier than replacing the whole fairing.
     
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  4. ironpony

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    Gee! No kiddin'!?? The post I responded to implied you could open up the wagon 'n just toss stuff in until it was right. Explain the busted seal and a couple hundred pounds of rocks tossed in the back to the receiver...
     
  5. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    First off, my steers were probably way under 12k when i started.

    We used to run 12,500 all the time in the 387 petes at tmc. They were always nose heavy even slid all the way back. DOT never cared. In some states over 12 is legal and in most others in my experience they dont care. That was a compnay truck so I wasnt so concerned about damage to the truck since there wasn't much we could do and it wasn't mine.

    Now, owning my own rig, I was only concerned about suspension, not DOT.
     
  6. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    Slide tandems forward....unfortunately on this particular load my trailer is maxed out so were talking about only drives and steers.
     
  7. Richter

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    My concern was steering components and suspension. As for tires, there are inflation tables for every tire that gives you the correct inflation based on the weight. The tires are well within spec to hold the additional weight. For my tires 108 psi holds 6000 pounds and 110 holds 6250. Max psi for the tire and max weight is 120.

    Once i got off the doubles account I ran it 3 the same route 3 days with very similar mpg. (fith back). Yesterday I moved it and saw immediate gains. The question im asking is not how much MPG boost will i get. The question is, how much if at all is an extra 500 gonna damage the truck.
     
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  8. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    I'm comparing 53 van to 53 van on mpg....my mpg wasn't horrible pulling doubles, but weight wasn't any concern and i had to have the fifth back for clearance reasons. I do have the front mounted tanks, not the side box with batts and rear tanks.
     
  9. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    I do have airtabs, but i'm looking to improve as much as possible.
     
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  10. ironpony

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    Gee! No kidding!?? See post # 13.
     
  11. eeb

    eeb Heavy Load Member

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    Well you can read it that way, or you can think about it for a quarter of a second and realize that he's talking about moving the trailer suspension to, yes, add weight to the trailer tires thereby subtracting it from the drives.
     
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