5th Wheel Problem

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  1. dieselpowerrules

    dieselpowerrules Light Load Member

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    I drive a 2001 Mack CH613, and it has one of those nice older style 5th wheels with the adjustment bolt/nut sticking out the front of it, I believe it is a Holland. My job requires me to hook/unhook the trailer several times a shift, and I always look at the connection like your supposed to after I hook each time. Well, this one time a few months ago I backed under the trailer, got out and looked at it, and that nut was not flush with the 5th wheel like it should be, so I rehooked, and it looked fine. By the time I got to where my next load was, which is only a 60 mile trip, that nut/bolt was sticking out again about half an inch. I've been with that truck for four years, and it had never done that. So I tell the mechanic and the boss and they dont see a problem with it. Me, not knowing anything about the mechanics of a 5th wheel, kept driving it for a couple days, and it kept getting worse, and I still couldn't get anyone to do anything about it, so I refused to drive that truck until the 5th wheel was at least rebuilt. Finally it got rebuilt, and I haven't had any trouble since.

    So my question is, did I do the right thing by refusing to drive it, or did I waste the bosses money like he told me I did? Could I actually have lost the trailer with the 5th wheel doing that? And what internally would have been wrong with or causing the 5th wheel to loosen on its own, I thought the only way it could release is by pulling the handle, assuming the trailer was hooked up right in the first place?

    Thanks a lot for any opinions anyone can give me on this.
     
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  3. Pablo-UA

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  5. canuck in da truck

    canuck in da truck Road Train Member

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    i kinda feel you did the right thing--maybe all it needed was an adjustment and not rebuilt --but regardless it is an safety issue that the mecjhanic should have kept up on
    no you wont lose your trailer--but it will be loose in the jaws as they wear,causing it to bang back and forth as you slow down and take off
    i suppose maybe eventually you could wear it it out to the point of losing the trailer--but the banging and jerking would be pretty bad by then

    ya did good
    a fifth wheel kit isnt that much--your boss is just being a tight as s
     
  6. RedPete95

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    a rebuilt is better than a lost wagon!
    i agree, you did exactly wht you should have done because if something were to happen its not only on the boss its got more severity on you!
    Good call
     
  7. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    You did the right thing partner!
     
  8. dieselpowerrules

    dieselpowerrules Light Load Member

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    All right, thanks guys, I figured I did, and I meant to mention that this problem started not too long after being adjusted for excessive play, the 5th wheel was even power washed, they did everything possible to avoid the rebuild, and kept trying to tell me there was no problem. IMO, it is up to the mechanic to FIX a problem when there is one, not TELL the driver that there isn't a problem when I would think the driver knows the truck better than the mechanic because I spent 60 hours a week in it for four years now!
     
  9. canuck in da truck

    canuck in da truck Road Train Member

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    it seems that after hollands have been adjusted--sometimes the rod wont go into the head all the way--which also means the fork isnt engaging the jaws to force it tighter
    the shop should have a tool for checking fifth wheel play
    sometimes you can get by with washing the crqap out of them--sometimes not it just sticks in that worn spot
    but if you can feel it slopping when you are hooked up --then yes it needs something to be done
    thats why i like fontaines--they are a bit lighter --but for me--they work a way better than a holland--and easier to rebuild as well
     
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  10. dieselpowerrules

    dieselpowerrules Light Load Member

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    Thats what I was wondering, is what was actually going on in the 5th wheel because it seemed as though it was going to keep releasing all the way by itself. The mechanic always says you need some slack in the 5th wheel, and that makes sense, but how much is "some"? I went to a basic two month school and of course we didn't learn anything about the different parts of a 5th wheel or how the dang things actually work internally, just what it should look like when the trailer is hooked properly.
     
  11. canuck in da truck

    canuck in da truck Road Train Member

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    i really wished i hadnt wrecked my brain when i was young--i would be able to remember thigs then
    i believe it is 1/16 you want for play in the jaws
    the washer on the rod at front of head--it should be up against the head but be able to be turned with a slight drag
    once it is locked--even when out of adjustment it shouldnt be able to unhook by itself--but it has happened
    the rod is fastened to u shaped part that goes over the outer edges of the jaws--on the inside of the u it is tapered--so that the farther the bolt goes in the farther the u goes over the jaws --there for making them tighter---when the rod/bolt sticks out like yours did--the u isnt going down where it should--probabely cause of wear and not being adjusted in time--so until it goes flush to the rubber washer--it isnt as tight as it should be

    hope that made some sense---if you google holland 5th wheels they should give you some good pics and maybe some ideas---and probabely explain it a lot better than i did
     
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