60/7 or 70/8 that is the question

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  1. SwampButt

    SwampButt Bobtail Member

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    I'm looking for some help on this issue. I'm just getting back otr and I'm with a company thats finally giving me what I want...Lots and lots of miles. Problem is I'm pushing my hours as far as they can go on a daily basis (wink wink) so I'm looking for some serious advice on how to get the most out of my log and I'm hoping theres some seasoned drivers that might give me some advice.
    I've started using a loose leaf book to start with but does it really matter how often I go down to line 4 or how often can I jump up to line 2 to save some drivetime? Anyone have some helpful advice :biggrin_25514:
     
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  3. roadkill4512

    roadkill4512 Medium Load Member

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    I used line 2 a lot whenever I could when I was OTR. It says in the FMCSR handbook that sleeper berth can be logged to denote any inactivity. I know many drivers use line 1 to save time but I believe that is meant for restarts or other extended times when you are unlikely to be called back to active work at a moments notice.

    Using line 4 should be used for fueling, safety inspections, loading/unloading (15 minutes each). While line 4 does not take away drive time per shift it does consumes time off your 70 hour clock so anytime you can use line 2 I would do it. Protect that 70 hr clock as much as you can.
     
  4. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    Doesn't the operation and/our the company often determine whether you do 60 hours/7 days or 70 hours/8 days?
     
  5. roadkill4512

    roadkill4512 Medium Load Member

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    Yes, but that was not his question. I was about to address that (because of the thread title) but then realized his question was about conserving his HOS not which HOS he was under.
     
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  6. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Your company would have to be closed on Sundays ( office closed, trucks parked, no one working) to qualify for 60/7. Remember, these rules were put in place in the 30's.
     
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  7. Elendil

    Elendil Heavy Load Member

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    I do not understand what difference it makes using line 2 or line 1. Once you start the 14 it doesn't matter if you use line 1 or 2. Or am I missing something?
     
  8. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    Thanks, that is what I thought. I couldn't remember the exact regulations but thought we were pretty much tied to a single choice.
     
  9. Scuby

    Scuby Heavy Load Member

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    Elendil you are correct on the 14 hour rule. The OP was about on duty time. What I generally do is go to the sleeper berth when I don't have to be on the dock. I also show 15 minutes for checking in when I unload or load. This way it doesn't eat into my 70.
     
  10. Onetruckpony

    Onetruckpony Medium Load Member

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    Line 1 can become a problem when they start picking at if you were really off duty or not.
    Running hard every minutee counts and 70 hours can get used up quickly.
     
  11. roadkill4512

    roadkill4512 Medium Load Member

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    I choose to use line 2. Other drivers would log line 1 to denote a period of inactivity. When I read the FMCSR handbook it specifically stated that line 2 could be used for this purpose. No where did I see (it might be there but I didn't see it) that line 1 could be used for this purpose.

    To me, my perception is that "off duty" means you are not responsible for a load or awaiting an event (like loading or weather to improve) to be completed to begin active duty again. To me "off duty" means you're out of the truck likely at home or on a restart. Neither line 1 nor line 2 consumes time off your HOS clock but my belief, based upon what I read in the FMCSR handbook is that line 2 is to be used during your 14 hr shift and line 1 or 2 can be used on 10 hr breaks or restarts.
     
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