600 hour advanced truck driver training course.

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Lspilot82, Apr 17, 2014.

  1. Pound Puppy

    Pound Puppy Heavy Load Member

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    Probably another fake deal trying to get ppl to start arguing on here.
     
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  3. BrianE

    BrianE Light Load Member

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    I like the idea. Having no clue what topics you already have makes it hard to give you new ideas. Have you covered taxes, budgeting and the other finance areas?

    I would think the biggest thing drivers in general need to learn is survival. How do you get the job done when you are 100 miles from nowhere with no radio contact? Learning to improvise can save your backside.

    One example, I move farm tractors and implements. Let's say, you have to pick up a tractor that does not move under it's own power. Your winch just took a dump and does not work, you are also 150 miles away from work. What do you do?

    The solution is pretty simple. Drop the trailer, chock the wheels, run a chain over the trailer and hook it to the truck on one end, the tractor on the other. Pull the tractor up onto the trailer and secure it. Easy solution right? Sometimes. I have jacked the landing gear up almost to the limit and the added weight makes it impossible to get the clearance necessary to hook back up to the trailer. Now what do you do?

    I would think you could put together hundreds of what if's if some people were to offer their experiences. These are the things that get you through the day or ruin your day depending on what you know.
     
  4. STexan

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    I think the first thing you should do is to make sure a NEW driver DOES NOT enter straight into an owner-operator or lease agreement. There is definitely a need to teach proper business skills required to be an o-o in trucking, but that should be an entirely different add-on course available only to drivers with a minimum of 1 year company driver experience, who are thinking about making the leap into self-employment.


    I would offer advanced flatbed procedures and techniques (tarping, securing, loading, bulk-heads, etc)

    Tanker operation basics (chemical and vacuum) and doubles basics and techniques

    Teach proper tire chain usage and various chain laws, winter driving and fuel treatment methods

    Mountain driving, what to know, what to expect, what NOT to do, what to do and when to do it

    Scales protocols and general rules, what to expect and be on the look out for

    backing techniques into difficult spots of different scenarios (advanced backing)

    advanced (proper) weight distribution techniques

    advanced time management and trip planning (multi-stops, weather, traffic, knowing when an appointment can not be made and making the call and what to do)

    Oddly enough, you should probably teach basic US geography and map/atlas usage. Many can not point out the state the grew up in on a map.

    basic truck/trailer repairs that a driver should do to avoid delay (headlamp replacement, air line grommets, fuses/relays)

    parking lot parking techniques (setting up properly if a nose-in park is required to insure a back-out can be managed (don't strive to get perfectly straight))

    dealing with load planners and dispatchers PROPERLY

    proper pre-trip'ng, identifying dangerous tires that might have an internal defect or failure

    teach proper usage of technology tools such as GPS devices, smartphone apps such as Google maps/traffic, qualcomm and peoplenet usage and the typical common macros

    more to come
     
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  5. Lspilot82

    Lspilot82 Light Load Member

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    What you said about creating scenarios and situations is exactly what we do. Most of that isn't covered in the regular 160 hour course. We try to prepare the students as much as possible for that. I do a pretty good job getting them city driving experience and backing experience. It's the other stuff that you don't get in that course that we want to teach. Part of that is the business side of it. Also, let me be clear about they other trucking company. They only reason we are utilizing them, is so the student can see what it is like living on the road. Thats only if they choose too. It would be three weeks with a driver trainer from that company. Those 3 weeks are included in the 600 hours at 40 hours a week. Then they come back and continue their training in the classroom and running loads for the school. Again, the loads that they run will only be intrastate and the loads they book themselves. That way they can see the results.
     
  6. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    Thank you for clearing that up.
     
  7. negativecold13

    negativecold13 Medium Load Member

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    sounds like a scam to get veterans benefits and profit a company with repossessed trucks from beginner o/o's...I have learned more from the advice of fellow truck drivers on this forum than any school...also, why would I want to sit around and talk about drugs, prostitutes, and temptations???I am not sure why I am even replying, except I haven't had a good argument all week...
     
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  8. Lspilot82

    Lspilot82 Light Load Member

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    Where did you get that repossessed truck nonsense from. We aren't associated with any truck sales company or banks to do such a thing. Some people have never dealt with someone coming up to the truck and asking them for sex, or asking them if they want drugs. Thats a important part of being a truck driver. Those are dangerous situations and people need to know how to deal with it. I'm not in this to screw anyone or take advantage of anyone. We are trying to provide something that is needed in this day and age. Everyone doesn't succeed the same way. This is just another tool that will help someone get to where they want to be in life.
     
  9. Scoots

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    OP, I started driving a little over a year ago and you are focusing on things new drivers shouldn't be focusing on and neglecting the things they should. First off, have you ever been an owner operator? What experience do you have brokering freight? Really, the fact you're here means you need guidance which tells me the answers to those questions are no and none. Most of that freight is specialized meaning you need to know what you are doing with it and have the right type of trailer to haul it. Here's what they need work on: shifting, backing up, finding good work, coupling/uncoupling, general awareness (G.O.A.L.)- they need to learn safe operation and if you teach them that they'll be good. I would focus on making them really great drivers. I got 15 hours behind the wheel in truck driving school...nowhere near enough. My advanced class would be 160 hours of quality one on one behind the wheel time, 160 hours backing, and maybe 40 hours on pretrip.

    What they don't need is their own truck out the gate... That is insane. You are teaching them to take a very stupid risk they don't understand that could easily financial my cripple them. No good broker in their right mind will give orders to an inexperienced rookie unless they hate their client, the freight is cheap, or something isn't right with the load. Their rep would be trashed. I sincerely hope you reconsider that. I think there's nothing wrong with offering a business course to experienced drivers... but I would require at least a year of experience. If not I'd basically be taking their money and I'm not a thief.
     
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  10. Lspilot82

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    Something else I'd like to add. I came on here asking for the advice of other drivers and owner operators. If this was a scam, why would I be asking for help. If you would like to add something positive then please do so. I can't tell people not to post negative things, however I would like it if you wouldn't. I think I've done a pretty good job answering people's questions and addressing concerns, but now I think I'm done doing so. So please, if you have idea's or suggestion's, please, please share. Thank you.
     
  11. Lspilot82

    Lspilot82 Light Load Member

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    You bring up a bunch of good points. The reason I'm here isn't due to the lack of knowledge is running a truck, its how to bring everything that needs to be learned out on the road into a classroom. Thats where we are having trouble. We have the financial part and logistics part figured out. Again, it's the what ifs that need to be taught that we don't have. We have some, but not enough. Thats why I was asking for help. I'm sure we've all been in situations that were all different and could be talked about and taught how to deal with such cases.
     
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