70 hours What am I missing

Discussion in 'Prime' started by gatorbaiter, Jun 26, 2011.

  1. gatorbaiter

    gatorbaiter Medium Load Member

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    OK I know they will go over it in class but like I said I am a preplanner. I have been reading threads about the HOS rules and I promise I am not and idiot but.....

    I am missing something. how does one gain hours when the clock turns midnight?

    I see how you can break the 10 hour break into a 2 hour and 8 hour thus being able to work our some arrival times. but I cannot see how one gains hours at midnight.

    any one want to try and explain? Or should I just wait for class?
     
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  3. notarps4me

    notarps4me Road Train Member

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    After midnight what you did 8 days ago you get back for that day.
     
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  4. Mrs V

    Mrs V Bobtail Member

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    How does that work if 8 days ago you were on a 34 hour restart?

    Thanks
     
  5. gatorbaiter

    gatorbaiter Medium Load Member

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    I thought you needed a 34 at 8 days. or is that only if you hit 70?

    NOOB here just trying to figure out how I can optimize my miles /days / hours

    thanks for the reply like I said I am trying to learn not question anyones knowledge.
     
  6. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    Let me show you:

    Col. A........ Col. B........ Col. C
    8.00------- 8.00 ------ 62.00
    8.00------- 16.00 ----- 54.00
    8.00------- 24.00 ------46.00
    8.00------- 32.00 ------38.00
    8.00------- 40.00 ------30.00
    8.00------- 48.00 ------22.00
    8.00------- 56.00 ------14.00

    Column A is hours worked today...
    Column B is total hours worked including today...(add the previous 7 days including today)
    Column C is hours available tomorrow.

    On day number 8, you have 14.00 hours available to work today.
    For day number 9 you will have what is left from what you worked on day 8 plus day 1 from above.

    Day 1 falls off at the end of the eighth day.

    You only add up the previous 7 days (including today) then subtract that from 70 which leaves you "XX" number of hours to work tomorrow.

    You don't HAVE to take a 34 hour restart...it is your choice....if you have sufficient hours available (as above example) plenty of hours to use. the 34 simply starts the whole thing over with a fresh 70.
     
  7. I_HATE_MINIVANS

    I_HATE_MINIVANS Heavy Load Member

    You don't gain any hours at midnight UNLESS it's been 8 days since you last had a 34. You're limited to 70 hours in 8 days, right? Ok so you only have to keep track of how many hours you've driven in the last 8 days. So if you've been out for 9 days, you get back the hours you drove on that first day out, or "8 days ago".

    If you're home every weekend for a 34, you won't ever recover hours at midnight. But if you're one of them guys who never gets home, then you'll always be recovering the hours you drove 8 days ago, unless you stop for a 34 hr break on the road.

    By taking a 34 hour break, it resets your 70 and you won't start regaining hours at midnight til your 8th day after the reset.
     
  8. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    I understand what you are trying to say...but the way you said it will be very confusing to a NOOB who is having trouble already.

    Just refer to my example above....I personally think it is a very good explanation....but I do tend to be biased...and often full of something or other!:biggrin_25523:
     
  9. CondoCruiser

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    Look at your recap sheet and the coluum C that says hours available tomorrow.

    Say day 1 you worked 14 hours, come day 6 you work 12 hours and your recap says you only have 2 hours available for day 7. So day 7 you work them 2 hours and you are at your 70. Do you take a 34 hr restart? No! Why? Because you drop day 1, 14 hrs and the 2 hours you worked on day 7 will give you 12 hours available for the 8th day. It's a running recap. Your hours available can go up or down depending on the day you drop and the day you pick up.

    I know that sounds confusing, but fill out the recap and you'll see how the hours available change. Each new day you are constantly dropping the hours from day 1.

    Look at otherhalfs chart above. Add one more day with 2 hours work, you will see that you will gain 6 hours in coluum C.
     
  10. gatorbaiter

    gatorbaiter Medium Load Member

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    I think the red above is what I was missing in all of this. I get the math I was under the impression you had to do a 34.

    This makes it make sense

    Thanks Guys
     
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  11. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    Actually you don't even have to do the math... the elog program will do it for you.

    OTOH, that doesn't relieve you from having a thorough knowledge of the HOS regulations. YOU have to manage your hours, and determine whether you can safely and legally complete a trip. Elogs requires you to have a much better understanding of the rules and management of your time because the ability to push the envelope is severely limited, and you can't just rip a page out of the logbook... it has to be logged correctly the first time.
     
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