A Detroit 500 engine riddle, can it be solved

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  1. country29

    country29 Medium Load Member

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    absolutely, if either the old turbo or new turbo was letting oil get through the intake side it definitely would run on oil and run as fast as it could till it found the weakest link! sorry to say but sounds like the shop he was having it repaired at didn't do their job.
     
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  3. stranger

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    With an oil runaway, the ignition switch, ecm disconnected, or anything will not stop the engine short of sealing off the intake air. That was one reason the 2 stroke Detroits had an emergency stop, which was a spring loaded flap that closed over the intake to prevent air from entering the engine.

    The early Volkswagen diesel engines had a runaway problem/ Oil from the crankcase breather would accumulate in the intake, and when enough accumilated, the engine would run away. Theirs was fixed with a redesgned crankcase ventilation system. The VW engine was weak, but when they started running on engine oil you could hardly keep them slowed with all the brake you had. The engine oil acted like it tripeled the HP over straight diesel. The one I had would start rattling, smoke blue smoke, and take off flying. Really interesting when it decided to do this in town.

    I guarantee that truck was running on engine oil. Make sure YOU are there to see the turbo taken off, and look in the intake pipe. Any fresh oil, and they owe you a new engine. If they take it off, the oil in the intake and the turbo might disappear.
     
  4. country29

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    absolutely stranger, take his advice, 1 of the 2 turbos failed.
     
  5. CallMeArty

    CallMeArty HaMMeRED DoWN

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    Genius! Ya nailed it Stranger..
     
  6. shogun

    shogun Road Train Member

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    According to the owner, the mechanics cleaned the air intake piping well and changed the oil. So the next step is to pull the turbo and see if the new seal is bad. Last night when the turbo went bad it blew flames out of the stacks so what exactly caused the flames?
     
  7. stranger

    stranger Road Train Member

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    Oil seal on the turbo exhaust side, allowing oil into the hot exhaust pipe, which caught fire and went out the stack.

    If they cleaned out the intake pipe, there should be no oil at all in it now unless the new turbo is bad. You will have to really look close if it is new oil, for it will be hard to see. Also check the intake where it enters the engine for oil.

    It WAS NOT electrical.
     
  8. shogun

    shogun Road Train Member

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    Thanks for so many quick replies. If I was a gambling man, I would put money on the air to air itself not being cleaned, just the intake pipe. So, either the mechanic is responsible, or its like Stranger said, the new turbo has bad seals allowing oil back into the intake. Either way, someone is going to have to pay for the rebuild. I can't say enough good about the people on this forum. I told the truck owner I could probably find someone on TTR who would figure it out fairly quick. I told him to make sure that he is there when the turbo is pulled. Thanks again for all your help!
     
  9. mrdevildog

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    The motor ran away because it had a fuel source, any time a turbo comes apart or is pushing oil, the charge air cooler needs checked for engine oil or debris before a new turbo is put on the engine. Sounds like the cac was full of engine oil but there is no way to know now. Im sure it was a sight to see when the motor went. I've heard of engines eating 10 inch thick phone books trying to get it to shut down.
     
  10. shogun

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    I know the mechanic cleaned out the air intake pipe itself but I don't know if he cleaned the ATA. It idled fine for five or six minutes and the mechanic put fresh oil in the turbo so it wouldnt crank up dry. After the idle time he decided to press the accelerator and see if it would spool, and thats when it took off. So am I correct in assuming the few minutes of idling were running off the fuel in the rail and injectors and when the turbo started spooling, it started sucking oil out if the ATA causing it to run away?
     
  11. country29

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    yes, if the a2a was full of oil from the old turbo, then when the new turbo was put on and it wasn't cleaned then the new turbo just sucked the oil up out of it. I bet if they take the a2a off and turn it upside down, it will have oil running out of it.
     
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