A note to the anti-auto crowd

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by striker, May 6, 2012.

  1. Quickfarms

    Quickfarms Heavy Load Member

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    I like driving an auto in LA traffic
     
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  3. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    Sorry Carrkool,but that isn't true.
    The modern auto's cannot be changed to stick.
    You have to make the difference between an manual gearbox which has been automated and an purpose build automated gearbox.(both aren't automatics)
    I agree with you about the automated manuals.
    But a purpose build automated gearbox does work very good and does last longer.


    you have 3 types off gearboxes in trucks:

    1° automatics

    2°manuals ...........................in which you have 2 choices
    -manual with a stick
    -manual which has been automated(this version i'm not a fan off as they have been proven as not working 100%)

    3°purpose build automated gearboxes (they cannot be changed to a stick)
     
  4. Scania man

    Scania man Road Train Member

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    Well in fairness now fangio some of them are!!
     
  5. 98989

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    automated transmission is never tired , always sleep well , never had any personal problems , amt dont have cheating wife ,slut daughter and boozer son .....amt dont have problems with getting money for its work,

    if you say that you made every single shift in your life perfect i would say that you lie ,
    even best driver i know admit that when he drive 18-20 hours in construction with hunderts of shifts per day he made mistake by shifting from 7 he miss 8 and put it in to 6 ......it will every time do things like it is programed , many people complain about how automatics shift -but actually they dont know how to drive them, ok it is not every time like it should be but you have to adapt your driving style to it....i cant say that i am expert for automatic but at least i admit that it is problem in me and i dont know how to use them properly



    recently guy from my forum asks me about 2011 xf105 with astronic which he just started to drive , he never driven automatics before , he says he was getting out of customs and have 90degree turn on right and he release throttle .....he wanted to make automatic to downshift gear or two....but nothing happened and at once it downshift 4-5gears and had strong jerk( as much i know it can shift 4 at once so he probably did not pay attention to that) , my answer was try to tap throttle pedal little bit or pull engine brake/retarder ,his respond was, with throttle it become bit jerky probably it was thinking that he wants to prepare it for strong pull , with engine brake it was nice and soft one by one downshift
     
  6. striker

    striker Road Train Member

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    and your ignorance is astounding. So let me help you, from 2002 to 2004 Eaton/Fuller had a problem with the shift motors, what you call top plate, X/Y shift motors. They had an excessive failure rate caused by poor build quality AKA LOWEST BIDDER BUILDER, that problem has long since been remedied. My '00 Mack went 670,000 miles before the clutch was replaced, even then, it was only replaced becasue the clutch brake had failed completely. The shop that did the work said that the clutch could easily have gone at least another 100,000 miles, the company had them replace it since they had it out rather than do it all again in a year. The average lifespan of a clutch assembly in an autoshift equipped truck, according to Eaton/Fuller is 750,000 to 850,000 miles. The typical lifespan of a clutch in a manual shift truck is under 600,000 miles. From '00 to '04 we replaced the shift motors every year without fail, because they failed, which the failure rate nationwide was so high that Eaton launched an investigation which led to the determination of a problem with the builder. They dwitched builders and the problem went away. Eaton reimbursed a lot of companies because of these excessive failure rates. From 2004 til the truck was traded in in Sept. of '08 with 970K on the odo., the motors were not replaced again. My current '09 has 392K on it, the shift motors were replaced at 370K, which, Eaton/Fuller says 350K to 450K is an average lifespan of the shift motors depending on the application.

    So you drove an autoshift once and somehow that makes you an expert on it. I have 1.4 million miles driving autoshifts, I can and will run circles around you all day every day with it, regardless of the road conditions. These drivers who claim "control" are using it as a cop out. Our last driver who retired, in '06 at 72, had been driving trucks since he was 14 yrs old on the farm, which means he had 58 yr exp. driving trucks of all shapes, sizes, kinds. I recall once someone told him they had more control over their truck in a manual, he asked them to show him, they did, and he went and did the samething in the autoshift. Here's the difference, he used his brain and his skills, not his mouth and a perception. So, please tell me what you have more control over?

    Now, as for my company, it is a family run company, started in the early 70's by the original owner, who sold out to one of his drivers in 1984, the company was then run by a family, and still is run by the same family. We have 12 trucks ranging from '99 to '13 models, all but one are autoshifts. Previously we had 3 Freightshaker Columbia's with MBE engines and 10 sped Eaton manuals. All 3 are/were '04's, one was wrecked, one was sold off, the other is a spare. The one that is a spare has about 700K on it, the trans was rebuilt 3 times, once from a catastrophic failure of the gears, and twice more becuase of a poor rebuild the first time. The truck was driven by a driver with more than 25 yrs OTR exp.. BTW, that same driver now drives the '13 autoshift and wouldn't give it up for anything. Last fall he had to drive that Freightshaker manual for 4 days while his was in the shop for emissions work. He hated every minute of those 4 days, he was begging for his autoshift back. Of those 12 autoshifts, 1 is a '09, 3 are '13's, 2 are '04, the other 7 are '99 thru '01. The '99 thru '01 have had the clutches replaced, somewhere between 400K and 600K, since they are primarily city trucks, the clutches get more of a workout. Only two have had trans rebuilds and both were from driver abuse, and those drivers are no longer with the company. Before we turn a driver loose on his own, he spend a week with a trainer, 2 days as a passenger, then 3 days as driver, mostly making sure they know how to drive. The driver who does the training is second to me in yrs. exp. driving autoshifts, the only reason I don't train is that I don't have the patience nor the time to be a trainer, we were both taught how to drive autoshifts by a rep. from Eaton/Fuller.

    Oh and while your trying to trash me and these trucks, keep in mind, to give you how much faith Eaton has in us, in the first 6 yrs of driving autoshifts, Eaton would use my company and our trucks as "guinea pigs" and test out new shift programming on our trucks, some of those programming changes went on to be used around the country.

    The biggest problem with drivers hating or not wanting to drive an automatic or an autoshift is the nut behind the wheel. The nut who can't wrap his mind around technology, the nut who drives with an open mouth and a closed mind. The only times I have had a problem with my transmission doing what I want it to do, is stupidity on my part. The tranmission isn't designed to downshift at 1500 rpms, no matter how much you want it to, and hence the computer won't let it, instead, the computer is telling me, HEY, STUPID, LEARN HOW TO DRIVE AND DON'T PUT YOURSELF IN SITUATIONS WHERE YOU WANT TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING THAT WILL CAUSE ME HARM. BTW, if I had a penny for everytime I hear some "expierenced" driver grind gears, either up or down, I could just about retire. One of our competitors had 6 Int'l 8500 tractors with automatics, the drivers hated them, always having problems, but not trans problems, rather engine problems. Last summer they traded those in on '13 Volvo daycabs, 8 of them, 4 with I-shifts and 4 with manuals. Guess what, the 4 with manuals, have had more problems than the 4 I-shifts, why, becuase of driver abuse. What does that say, the computer won't let you abuse the trans, hence the computer is smarter than the driver.
     
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  7. Cat sdp

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    Clutch life in a manual is on the driver......

    Last truck had 680k miles on it . I sold it and now has over 1 mil.

    New truck has 320 k on it . All on original clutchs and trans.

    Both trucks work local hauling 107k. I'm happy ...............


    Why pay more for an auto ? ?
     
  8. Scania man

    Scania man Road Train Member

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    That's cos you're a good thoughtful driver but you know there are plenty of guys out there that either cant or won't drive like that, they ain't paying for the fuel or repairs, in a fleet situation I would have autos but the choice should be there to have a manual if you want it.
     
  9. Oi!

    Oi! Road Train Member

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    Can't think of anything automatic I want to drive.
     
  10. Cowmobile

    Cowmobile Medium Load Member

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    If you like automatics then you might as well turn in your testicles so they don't get in the way when you're watching The View...
     
  11. chopper103in

    chopper103in Road Train Member

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    i drove for a company that had freightliners with 6sp autos, they ran good and shifted like a car would. they bought a volvo daycab with the i-shift in it, it was strange at first but i learned it.

    i drove for another company that had freightliners with 10 speed autos in them, i didnt like them, seemed like when i was trying to back up by the time the clutch caught i would be flying backward


    the volvo i-shift really impressed me for an automatic
     
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