refrigerant. I don't have a great grasp on how AC systems work, I know the engine fan always cuts on periodically when the AC systems running, and I don't fully understand why, would take me a bit to read through articles and understand the mechanics, and the main question for here was if the compressor is running all the time, and the engine fan is running all the time, would that still damage the compressor if coolant and refrigerant levels are kept proper. Sometimes the air seems to get so cold that it will freeze up in The Exchange box and the blower motor while sounding like it's still running will not push air through the system. At other times it seems like the lines outside the engine literally freeze up the condensation that's in the air of the engine cab... can see it freezing on the lines. Between the mechanics not wanted to do more than they have to do, a shop manager who's trying to keep things as cheap as he can, and a very well-intentioned owner not being able to differentiate what really needs to be done from people's opinions, I'm trying to figure out how best to approach this and what things are really worried about before the really hot months get here in North Carolina
AC compressor straight wired?
Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by GOTSEASON8SUCKED, Jun 17, 2019.
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If you want to run this compressor all the time, that will not work all the time. It might work when you first turn it on, but as the refrigerant pressure goes up it needs to cycle that compressor on and off and also the coolant radiator and condenser fan, . The same thing when the ambient temperature cools down, now you need to cycle the compressor so that the evaporator doesn't freeze. Like I said before it can be done but you have to know what you are doing. At the minimum you need a low pressure and a high pressure switch. You need to be able to turn on the condenser/radiator fan, when pressure reaches a preset value. You also need to have a thermostat in line. Last but not least you need the thermostatic switch to prevent the evaporator from freezing, at 33 degrees F it will turn the compressor off so the coil doesn't freeze. When the temp rises from 33 to say 40 the compressor will kick back on.
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got ya. Had a feeling that it was a little bit more complicated than what the shop told me, " just switch it on when you want AC and when you don't cut it and the engine fan manual switch off". The original malfunction with the a pads, is that when it was parked and with the hydraulic pump for the feed augers engaged and at 1200 rpm, it wouldn't cycle the engine fan on... engine water temperature would get up to 230 240... and with that malfunction among other things it was impossible to tell whether the apads was malfunctioning, if there was a short or cross wire somewhere, if there was truly a low refrigerant condition...just a mess. Rather than sift through and eliminate those possibilities, they bypassed apads completely... but now neither the AC compressor or the engine fan will engage and disengage automatically, I literally have to control the clutch for both of them. aggravating
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You can try to run it a little low on refrigerant, to keep pressure down , and still cool the Truck. And keep the fan engaged all the time, they will work pretty good this way. But soon compressor will fail due to the compressor itself running too hot. It needs proper amount of refrigerant to cool itself, not just the system.Your Boss will pay more in the long run. My Freightliner has a silimar part called pdmi module. It’s currently bad, causing fan to come on for no reason, even in winter. I would make sure high pressure switch is good. If like my Freightliner, it still controls cycling of compressor. A second opinion may be in order. A lot of well meaning Mechanics jump to the worst case scenario.
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It has to cycle, or it will freeze up, build too much pressure and blow hoses, even if it was cycling with the engine fan not running at slow speeds, it will build pressure and something has to give.
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What could happen is it bursts a hose or other things like the evaporator drain the oil and cause it to sieze up. If it seizes, that means it overheated (trashed) while the clutch bearing could also seize from the heat, if that happens you can get a nice fire going.
The safeguards for the system are a high pressure/temp switch that is a safety item, by passing that is rather dumb, it is there to force a cycle of the compressor no matter what.
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A system that’s working properly, when low on Freon will still cool to a certain point, and compressor will run constantly, never disengaging. You can run it this way, keeping fan engaged full time. When cooling effect suffers turn compressor off for a minute or two whatever it takes. Either way at this point your shortening life of compressor. But it will work, I’ve done it, when hp switch was bad. A sure way to blow it is to put too much Freon, I’ve done that too. Split compressor wide open. No not ideal, but if your in a jam it will work.
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Thanks everybody for your replies and info, very helpful. Just got done talking with the shop manager and he thinks I'm an idiot for wanting to put the compressor on off cycle switch in a more convenient place so the driver can manually switch it. It does get so cold that the airflow literally seizes up, at which point I know the compressor needs to be turned off. If you don't turn it back on relatively quickly very moist humid air shoots out inside of the cab starts to feel like a dirty moldy jungle. Not fun when your shifts 12 hours. Was going to put the cycle switch directly below and to the left of the hi\low gear switch on the gear shifter, would never even have to take my hand off the gear shifter. Now I have to reach under the dash next to the starter switch to turn it off and on....ugh. might do it anyway, just wire it myself. The couple or three months convenience might just be worth getting fired over. God knows most of it else hasn't. I was hoping this would be the driving job to last me the rest of my life, pickings aren't terribly easy when you got monocular (one eye) vision, but honestly hated the idea of not doing something I know I'd love doing just because of what people think.
ps. Same guy tells me they've had to do this to other trucks, and the other guys never have a problem... wonder if they know that means the refrigerant level is to the point the compressor is barely able to keep the air cool and that the compressors probably won't last the rest of the summer...Rideandrepair Thanks this.
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