Last week I did the load that just would not quit.
It was a 24-hour drop trailer load which I generally am not too excited about but the rate was good enough that I figured what the hell.
Well they sent me to the Distribution Center and the load was wrong and they decided to send me back to the shipper.
They gave me a new rate con with a rate that we agreed on for the initial load and for going back to the shipper.
At the shipper they told me they had no idea what was going on with the load and I sat there for 24 hours.
They tell me it has to go to another Distribution Center. Here's where it gets just a little more tricky.
Instead of negotiating with me they just give me a rate which includes two overnights and one overnight for holding the trailer and the delivery fee but it's another 24-hour drop.
The money was okay, and I did make money that week just sitting, but it annoyed me that they didn't negotiate with me. They just said here's what we're going to pay you.
So I would say for probably maybe four or five hours the day I held the trailer we went round and round about this.
Like I said the money was okay, I would certainly have wanted more if I was just doing it on the spot Market but this was a bad load and the broker was going out of his mind because he's telling me he's got to pay for this and blah blah blah. Yeah I know Brokers are often liars but in the end I just said okay let's just do it let's get it off of my truck.
I figured if I put the load in storage or any of that we have a whole other mess on our hands so let's just get it done I am making money let's do it.
So I tell the broker on the initial load there was one hour of detention. They said they will take care of that just send my paperwork in.
I asked him what happens if they go over 24 hours with this load. He tells me if it goes any longer than 24 hours, in an e-mail, they will pay me a layover.
So I get the load done I send in on my paperwork and they were three or four hours late over 24 hours.
So I submit all the paperwork with the detention request to them for the layover and the one-hour detention.
That was on Monday and on Friday the customer service rep says he is reminding them about it they are working on it but they have multiple people to contact and they've been having a problem getting a hold of who they need to...
Now I have contacted them everyday but I'm only in contact with the customer service rep. He's been really good but he says they're working on it.
Obviously it sounds like something is wrong there. I will say they did have a hard time contacting that customer when we were going through all the changes with the rate cons, but it does not take a whole work week to approve 1 hour of detention and one layover.
I'm thinking they're dragging their feet because I gave them a hard time about the amount of money for the last rate con and they either just plain don't want to pay me the detention and The Layover, or they just want to try to make me wait another week or two weeks so that it takes me that much longer to get to my money. Or there are hoping that I'll just bill them and forget about the extras. I certainly do believe they feel like they paid me enough.
I actually did really good on the load in the end overall, but does anyone have any idea what to do about this accessorial nonsense?
Accessorial problems
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Dino soar, Nov 7, 2020.
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Dragging out payment of accessorials is a common tactic of less than reputable brokers. The hope is that you'll either forget about it or just cave in frustration and move on. I'm not saying that's whats happening here, but it does happen. The other cause of delays, in my experience, is when a young broker is afraid to tell someone something that they don't want to hear or afraid of confrontation. As in "the layover was denied". Sometimes young people will drag it out unnecessarily to avoid the confrontation.
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The thing is, how long are they going to drag this out?
I don't remember the exact amount for the load but I think it's probably $3,600 or something like that it's hanging in limbo.
Can they hang this out for weeks months?
I do have the in and out times signed by the shipper and receiver and I do have the email from the broker telling me it is a layover if it goes beyond 24 hours.
Can I bill them for the load and bill them separately for the layover and the detention?
Are there any other Alternatives or course of action?User666 Thanks this. -
95% of everything you ask should be in the contract you created.alds Thanks this. -
In the future, word your accessorial policy in a way that spells out that YOU determine everything and that the BROKER is responsible for the charges not THEIR CUSTOMER. You are contracted with the broker, not their customer. Also, relying on anyone but you or your driver to determine in/out times will eventually get you burned too.
Here's a copy of my policy if you want something to brainstorm on...
"Detention Policy: Two free hours on all stops before hourly rates begin. All hourly rates are billed in fifteen minute increments of $100 per hour. In/out times determined and invoiced by Carrier only. If Broker or their customer declines to contract Carrier for said detention charges after the allotted 2 free hours have passed, or otherwise exhausted a cancellation fee will incur.
Multi-stop Policy: All stops (except origin and final destination) will incur an additional $200 per stop.
Tracking/GPS/Live update services will incur a $150 fee.
Cancellation (TONU) Policy: Any and all orders canceled (or significantly altered) by any party regardless of reason, will incur a cancellation fee of $250 if order is revoked (or significantly altered) after signed rate confirmation has been sent and/or received by Broker and/or Carrier.
Layover/Overnight and Storage Policy: Moves requiring freight to remain on carrier’s trailer and/or at carrier's storage facility due to terms not arranged prior to event will incur a Layover, Overnight and/or Storage fee of $250 per night. Storage rates are $250 for the first 24 hours and $15 per hour thereafter.
All accessorial charges are due regardless of whether or not Broker is paid from their customer. As per our Agreement, the Broker solely is responsible for all freight charges…not their customers."Flat Earth Trucker, iledbett, Midwest Trucker and 3 others Thank this. -
I routinely hear, "my customer doesn't pay detention". My response is usually, "well, your customer is not my customer so your arrangement is none of my business. I, however, do charge for detention and if you don't want to pay then find another truck OR make sure I'm loaded/offloaded within two hours." I'm often pulled out of line while others sit or scheduled so I'm in and out quickly.
Funny this should come up because I haul from a particular place that uses multiple brokers to get their freight moved. I've loaded there about 4 times and have had numerous offers for loads out of there too. Three different brokers have made offers and/or paid me to make those moves. The one that uses me most pays me detention, the second agreed to my policy but their credit was bad so I ended up not taking the run and the third said the shipper under no circumstances will pay BUT he called me back later and hired me to make the run anyway while agreeing to my terms.
So that's three separate brokers willing to pay detention either from their cut or somebody's lying. Probably a mixture of both!Last edited: Nov 8, 2020
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So I adopted, then adapted, an accessorial policy. At first, I included it with the ratecon. I had an unhappy broker claim I "ambushed" her. Since then, I have attached the policy with every contract. Then it's done and on file and I haven't received any other complaints.
I also feel free to redact any line in the ratecon I disagree with and then send it back to the broker, signed. That same email with the returned ratecon also ends with, "Thank you, truck is dispatched."
Now the truck is eligible for TONU.Flat Earth Trucker Thanks this. -
Last edited: Nov 8, 2020
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Thanks for the knowledge. Do you recommend I continue to attach the addendum to the ratecons as well? One other user here had his lawyer look at it and said there is precedent to uphold it in court. If they accept the email with the addendum, it's binding.
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All I'm trying to say is I prefer to make it an ironclad open/shut case on my end so no BS disputes can arise later down the road and make sure the other agrees in writing somehow. It could be as simple as having them reply to an email or the old fashioned signature route. But either way, the only way to get it 100 percent in your favor no matter what is a written acceptance from their side in some fashion. This is good food for thought for anyone reading this thread really.
Also, addendums are kind of a, one and done deal. Do you never adjust your accessorial rates? If you do, you'd have to keep sending new ones to reflect the changes for things that require payment. I find it's easier to do it on a load to load basis myself. TONU is a good example for me. If it's real close to my yard I only charge $150 but if it's further out I raise it accordingly. If that was set in stone in a one time addendum submittal I'd have to go through the process again to send another in.
Of course, as I've mentioned earlier each contract is worded a little differently. Some make it so the contract itself has the final word while others put more emphasis on the rate con since it's an extension of the main contract. Most however, have it worded so the rate con overrides the contract completely. That's the one I focus on all the time no matter what. I'm set up with over 100 brokers and personally I can't keep track of all the idiosyncrasies between them contractually. It's easier to do it all on the spot on a load to load basis. Easy peasy and all legal requirements are met so I get paid when the time comes.
Their contracts and agreements are set up in their favor easily 99 percent. IMO it's commercial suicide to not do the same on our end when it comes to getting paid for all of our services.Speed_Drums Thanks this.
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