Adjust valves now or wait?

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  1. BoostedTS

    BoostedTS Bobtail Member

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    Im putting a used 12.7 Detroit in my truck because the one that was in it locked up a couple weeks ago. The truck is a 96 Pete 379 with a 12.7 ddecIII, but the engine I'm putting in it is a 99 12.7 ddecIV out of another 379. I've been looking it over while its still out and replacing parts that are in need of replacing on both engines with new and reusing parts if they are good on one or the other engine (mainly accessory items). The used engine has been sitting for a couple of years and I haven't personally heard it run prior to getting it. Today I checked the intake and exhaust valve clearances and now I need some advice. Either a couple of my intake valves are adjusted way too tight or maybe they aren't seating all the way right now for some reason (rust, carbon, etc.). Most of the rest of the intake valves are tighter than spec while all of the exhaust valves are looser than spec. Also, all the rocker arms say reman on them if that makes a difference either way.

    Measurements
    Intake spec is .203mm (tight means there is no gap)
    cyl 1 tight tight
    cyl 2 .102 .229
    cyl 3 .203 tight
    cyl 4 .127 .178
    cyl 5 .127 .228
    cyl 6 .152 .305

    Exhaust spec is .660mm
    cyl 1 .813 .838
    cyl 2 .864 .838
    cyl 3 .711 .762
    cyl 4 .760 .760
    cyl 5 .711 .736
    cyl 6 .762 .838


    Should I at least back the 3 valves off a little bit prior to attempting to start the truck? Should I leave everything alone until the truck has ran for a while since its been sitting for so long? Should I adjust them all back to spec now and recheck them after its been ran for a while? I also don't have an injector height tool to adjust those so I will probably leave them all as is for now.

    I'm trying to get this engine in the truck by the end of the week so I don't wear out my welcome in the shop I'm working on it in. The old engine has a hole in the block, so its coming out. Its sitting in the truck all unhooked and waiting for me to undo the mounts and lift it out. I'm not going to pull the head off to inspect the valve seats and valves due to time restraints either. Any advice will be appreciated.
     
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  3. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    Detroits are famous for the intake valve tightening up after time. While the engine out and on the floor, this the perfect time to do a complete tune up. You should be going through this engine with a fine toothed comb!!! Do what you can now while it is easy, rather than later when it is in chassis and not as nice.
     
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  4. wore out

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    Also on the III the valves set on companion cylinders. On the IV they use the overlap method. The firing order wasn't changed its just a more accurate way. As stated they wear tight, and if a valve was sticking that one would be extremely loose instead of tight. Seems like they changed the Injector lobe ramp is another reason for the change.
     
  5. BoostedTS

    BoostedTS Bobtail Member

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    That is kind of my mindset to a point. Since its in a 379, the valve cover comes off fairly easily with it in the truck though. Its good to know that the intake valve clearance tightening is normal though. I guess my initial theory was a little backwards about possibly having the tight ones sticking open slightly and I should be more concerned with the one intake valve that is .305 for that. After I posted it I started to realize I had it backwards

    I have to change the oil pan because it has a hole in it. I plan to change the rod and main bearings if it isn't obvious that they have already been changed since I don't know the history on the engine. Should I be looking for anything else while the oil pan is off?

    This is the first time I've been inside a Detroit. Most of the stuff I work on is gas and occasionally I'll have to work on my 5.9 Cummins, but I'm not afraid to learn. I had planned to rebuild the original engine I'm pulling out to learn it a little better, but when it decided to lock up, it also put a hole in the block so I'll have to find another one to do that now. I was trying to limp it along until spring, but it had other plans. Thanks for the input.
     
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  6. special-k

    special-k Road Train Member

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    What you could do is leave the setting for now and install the engine and crank it until you get oil pressure but don't start it. Unplug ecm to be sure. That way you can listen closely to how hard it cranks and for any other noises. Then check and set the valves. If there's some carbon on the valve seats that might get rid of it. We put a used rebuilt engine in my Truck last year that had sat for a year or so and that's what my mechanic did.
     
  7. JohnP3

    JohnP3 Road Train Member

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    I would do the set, and as you do it take a plastic hammer and hit the tip of the rocker arm to seat the valve, then set it. If it is an easy unit to get to do anouther set after the first oil change. The valves on all modern engine get tighter as they wear, after the first set is done.
    Just a thought!
     
  8. BoostedTS

    BoostedTS Bobtail Member

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    Either way, I plan to check it after the first oil change which I will be doing after the first week I run with it, regardless of how many miles it is. Would it be a safe assumption that the exhaust valves may have been set too loose the last time they were set since they are all looser than spec unless they aren't fully seating? Would there be any reason to do that intentionally if they did? I've had to do that hammer tap to the top of the valve trick a few times on gas engines while doing leakdown tests. Thanks for reminding me.
     
  9. JohnP3

    JohnP3 Road Train Member

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    You will get all kinds of experts that know a lot more than the engineers that build the engine on all kinds of specs. I fixed problems for a lot of years, the factory specs always worked for me.
    Just a thought!
     
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  10. tw1005tx

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    I would adj the one's that are really tight as you say and roll it over again to make sure you're on the right mark and recheck, we all know tight isn't good. Two years sitting isn't that long unless it was out in the weather with no cover.
     
  11. BoostedTS

    BoostedTS Bobtail Member

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    That's what I figured, but wanted to ask just in case. I also ordered an injector height tool, but it might not come in until the engine is back in the truck. If that's the case, I'll check that after the first week.
     
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