Upon reflecting it occurred to me that any decent attorney is going to be able to discover employment records from the IRS and depose accordingly.
I absolutely will share my experiences but ain't going to go looking for trouble.
HOS exemptions unless in an emergency are dangerous. Again common sense.
AG Exempt (theoretically) and moral duties.
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by 2Tap, Jan 14, 2025.
Page 2 of 3
-
-
Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds
Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.
-
I definitely would, because my conscience won't allow me to withhold information that could help the victim's surviving family members get justice. Transparency and accountability are good things; obructions of justice is not.
-
You'll be pleased to learn that DOT statistics show that carriers operating under Ag Exempt HOS have a better safety record than average. That doesn't mean everyone is safe, but it's not the fault of the regs. Ultimately, it's the driver that decides to drive or park.larry_minn, Bean Jr., Big Road Skateboard and 1 other person Thank this. -
Bean Jr., cke, RockinChair and 1 other person Thank this.
-
Believe it or hauling loads based upon fear or intimidation of losing a job, even within agriculture/emergency hos exemptions while not criminal can still leave you as an employer liable for civil tort and rightfully so.Numb Thanks this. -
Bean Jr., Oldman83, 2Tap and 1 other person Thank this.
-
Bean Jr., Oldman83, Sons Hero and 1 other person Thank this.
-
Or we just automatically assume and hold the employer responsible?
Do we also assume he was forced to drive under fear of retribution?larry_minn, Bean Jr., Oldman83 and 3 others Thank this. -
Yeah, I agree with Accidental Trucker, it stinks of an agenda. Before you try to tell me I'm a pretty negative person who can't comprehend, I know more than you about the subject.
Did the family sue the owner based on the state labor laws?
Here you can't work more than 14 hours driving a truck without an 8-hour break, and all hours worked determines that 14 hours. There is NO exemption under the state's labor law. The ag exemption is an FMCSA thing, not a state thing, but the states can choose to modify the exemption by adding more limitations into it.
The owner is at fault, but so is the driver.
The driver should know the laws; they are licensed through a program that should educate them, and this is a glaring problem with the system. If the driver is exempt from a CDL, then it is still on them to know the laws, and in this state, there are a lot of resources that can be used to educate them.
What protects the driver in all 50 states and even in the ag industry is the STAA which is there to protect a driver from coercing drivers to operate in violation of the law, including driving an unsafe truck.
A lawyer, even an ambulance-chasing POS scum lawyer would hook onto this and sue the owner out of business just because of this law.
As for the records, just ask the cops, they can give you an idea of when and where it happened and file an FOI request for the records. -
My "bone" isn't looking for a free handout or payday, i understand many today are.
This owner deserves every bit of what is possibly coming his way and if my deposition helped expedite or facilitate a larger payday for the mother and the orphan, so be it. History is filled with countless examples of change only occurring with astronomical paydays to the aggrieved.
Do i agree with that? Absolutely. However we all know that there are circumstances beyond a decent and reasonable owners control and I certainly sympathize with that.
Compared to what your telling me about Michigan, Wisconsin AG exemptions run fast & loose. I don't pretend to know them all however the running joke is this particular owner sees nothing wrong with excessive drivetime. As his son told me, "Dad wants you at 80 hrs, you wanted 60 so 75 isn't so bad is it." Except it isn't 75hrs, add 2-8 hrs for every offload/wash & lines. Sometimes they would remove loads, typically at the 16-20hr day mark but that's if you can foresee the future. Inclement weather, long lines (when Minnesota was dumping all their milk south/low plant capacity) and intake plant breakdowns.
This particular owner had the audacity to mail a plea, "How do we improve our CSA score?" EVERY driver chuckled behind his back, "Stop working us 100hrs a week."
There's a reason this man had 5 totaled tractors/trailers in the 6 months i drove for him. He has to operate under a friends authority now because of insurance. Fact. Sometimes life isn't about turning a blind eye. Again, this was a moral conundrum and not a business opportunity.
What's the old adage?
"Those who will stand for nothing will fall for anything."
Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds
Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.
Page 2 of 3