Air ride suspension ride height suddenly increases by 4 to 6 inches

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  1. GBB

    GBB Bobtail Member

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    Hello, I am interested in hearing if anyone has experienced a 'sudden' increase in the ride height of 4 to 6 inches at low speed rush-hour traffic (intermediate 20 to 30 MPH with lots of breaking) of a loaded 50 ton 20" ride height lowboy tri-axle with air ride suspension. Load was 70,500 pounds.

    Can anyone tell me what might cause this to happen. Could a flat or leaking tire on axle with ride height valve connected cause it, or a plugged ride height valve exhaust line? Or or ???

    My thoughts on this are could the heavy braking acceleration braking cause the load height valve to actuate (increase pressure) because of brake lock and roll back , but if the adjustment and/or exhaust line was blocked there could be no bleed-off??

    Thank you
     
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  3. d o g

    d o g Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    This thread has been up since Thursday in the Questions From General Public Forum and hasn't had any activity. Let's try it in here and see if some of you experienced HH operators can help him figure this out. Thanks, guys!
     
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  4. sawmill

    sawmill Road Train Member

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    Maybe the arm on the valve is flipped the wrong way? I had a trailer once that had that happen...if you backed up against it with the brakes set the trailer would lift and the arm of the valve would flip and then the airbags could not release any air. Do you have a gauge on it?
     
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  5. johndeere4020

    johndeere4020 Road Train Member

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    Well we might need a little more context, you say "sudden" do you mean it never used to do it and started, or "sudden" as in momentarily doing it?

    Here's what is probably happening, when you brake the trailer "drops", if you hold the brakes like sitting in traffic the leveling valve will be in the down position so it thinks the air springs need more air and will send it. The brakes will hold the trailer down because the wheels have to move a little to allow the suspension to come up. When you let off the brakes it will "pop" up because it has more air than is required to hold the load at the preset height and make it over height, at that point the valve will exhaust air. Next time you are in traffic let off the brakes for a second to let the leveling valve return to normal.

    Try this, next time your empty (because it's easier to see and reacts quicker) pull you hand valve and pull forward a little bit. You'll see the trailer pull down, give it a minute then release your hand valve and the trailer will "jump" up. In the mornings when I start my truck then go back out and release my trailer brakes my truck will pop up and exhaust air because the trailer brakes had it bound up.
     
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  6. Oxbow

    Oxbow Road Train Member

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    You stated that very well JD!
    Another example of what you are saying;
    Watch the tractor air suspension pressure gauge when pulling versus braking.
     
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  7. johndeere4020

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    I put a digital air gauge in my tractor last year (I love it by the way) it's neat to watch the psi change while going through the gears up or down.
     
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  8. GBB

    GBB Bobtail Member

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    Thank you for your inputs

    I do not have pressure gauge reading.

    Your scenario is interesting; however, with the arm flipped, from braking and air pressure not being able to vent, would it be possible that air could go in with arm flipped?

    The trailer is driven on a daily basis, and right after this ‘ride height elevation situation’ just trying to understand if there is anyway that the ride height could change 4 to 6 higher in say 10’ of travel in rush hour bumper to bumper 30 MPH average speed traffic.

    Unfortunately right under a bridge with low clearance after clearing all 11 out of 12 beams of bridge.

    Well you get the picture.
     
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    Reason for edit: Corrected spelling are to arm
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  9. GBB

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    Thank you very much. Will be able to test as suggested in next three weeks


    By suddenly, I mean within 10’ of travel distance at bumper to bumper max speed 30 MPH, but lots of stop/go/stop
     
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  10. GBB

    GBB Bobtail Member

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    Thank you. I have had replies.
     
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    So if brake applied because traffic stopped the brakes cause a suspension rotation making the axle center go lower (or better said distance between trailer deck and axle center would decrease), linkage would push valve up in picture and air goes in, but the axle is ‘rigidly held’ so axle can not react to increased air bag pressure , and air continues in - maybe until either brake is released or slips, etc. but result is a ,jump,

    Are jounce and rebound typically enough to allow 4 to 6” rise under the increased air bag pressure - assuming the scenario led to over normal air pressure, owing to stop-go-stop low speed bumper to bumper


    Got graphic from Hendrickson web site as example. Not saying it is Hendrickson - do not know, just want to be sure I understand your inputs.

    Thank you again
     
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    Reason for edit: spelling and edit of axle travel
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