Air Shift PTO

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    In all my years with dump trucks, nearly all had air pto's, except the ones without air, that is. I'm not really sure what you mean, you mean you start the cold engine with the pto engaged and it takes air to disengage it? Be careful when cold with wet kits. That oil is like STP, and I've seen guys blow hoses off. I engaged the pto right away, and let it turn for while
     
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  3. Oxbow

    Oxbow Road Train Member

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    Yes, that is exactly what it does, and at 4 degrees (like this morning) just turning the pump puts a noticeable load on the engine. Hence I have been leaving the clutch in until adequate air is built up to allow disengagement.
     
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    I don't think there is a pto that requires air to disengage it. It sounds like you have a hot shift pto that is somehow dragging until it warms up.
     
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    As soon as the engine is running smoothly I would go ahead and release the clutch. A load on it will help to get it warmed up sooner. I don't wait 5 minutes, 10 minutes or whatever for an engine to get "warm". As soon as the air it built up I begin to move. This requires some common sense though. NO high rpms, high boost, hard acceleration or any of that. Just ease in things.

    I wholeheartedly agree with the others that the pto seems to be plumbed contrary to a fail safe method.
     
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    Well, when you first turn the key on and the air pressure is low, the PTO is engaged, and the warning light on the dash is lit. After the air builds to about 60 psi the PTO will disengage and the dash light goes off. The load on the truck is noticeable as it turns the hydraulic pump. It is not a tremendous load as the pump is just cycling oil at this point, but it is noticeable.
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    Here are a couple of pictures of the air shift mechanism attached to the PTO.
    There is a cap on each end; one of which contains the fitting to receive the air line. I am wondering if I can swap the caps from end to end, and probably reverse an internal spring, to get it to function so that it requires air pressure in the line to engage it. I am not sure what I will find inside, and also not sure if I will have to drain the trans fluid to do this. I don't think so as it should be separated by the PTO.
     
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    That's a Muncie. That should Be an easy one to correct. Just to double check the operation, I'd pull the airline off once it's running and see if air is coming out and verify the shift mechanism kicks the pto out once the air is removed from it

    Then I'd replumb it to a normal setup.
     
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    I haven't seen one of those, but I am thinking like you what if you swap ends with the caps and maybe a spring?
     
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    Normally we don't hold the clutch in after the engine starts. But once it gets down around 0 degrees I really like the engine to run freely for a bit before turning the PTO pump. Temperatures above freezing I do as you suggest.
     
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    Thanks gentlemen, I believe I'll try that. I should be able to remove those caps without the transmission oil coming out, correct? (I know you two have a sense of humor, perhaps I should ask someone else?)

    Thanks for everyone's help!
     
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    I'm not sure about the partner. Chelsea is the only ones I have really been around
     
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