Allison techs??

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  1. Sportster2000

    Sportster2000 Road Train Member

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    I drove a T800 with an ISL in it with an allison behind it and hauled 78,000 lbs. It wasn't the fastest truck out there by any means but it did do the job. I believe that it was a 400hp rating on the ISL. If you are not going over 48,000 pounds gross than the ISL would do you fine considering that they put ISL's in dump trucks and they haul more than 66,000 pounds.
     
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  3. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    Hello Pablo, why would the fuel mileage suffer on the new allison's? I just assumed that with the double over and the lockup converter that it should be on par with the stick?

    Unless of course if there is just that much parasitic loss in the tranny itself? I know the older ally's were harder on mileage but I thought the new ones were better.

    Also heard that allison is bringing out a fully automated manual??????

    I am very familiar with the Astronic/ Freedomline I have 6 KW T 2000 with them in them. We have had very good luck with them, are at 1 million miles on them. BUT VERY EXPENSIVE TO FIX!!!!!
     
  4. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    Thanks Sportster, that is the kind of real world info I was looking for. I'm not so much afraid that the ISL "can't" pull it, what I am worried about over everything else is fuel mileage.

    Because the motor would have to spin about 400 rpm's more than my Ism's I just assumed that the mileage would go out the window. We gear tall, my T2 with the ISM is a direct drive 10 speed running a 2.85 rear, yes that is right 2.85 running 1100x 24.5 tires 70 mph is 1500 rpm.

    The trucks that I looked at right now that I can spec with ISL are either the 4700/4800 western star and they will give me the big sleepers we need.

    Can also go the KW T440, but limited to 38" sleeper, both trucks max ratings are 380HP 1300 TQ with allison 3000HS six speed.

    Thanks again for the info.
     
  5. Sparkz

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    "The bad thing that you can not use transmission to slow down and brake pads wear is doubled."
    Sorry Pablo, but that is totally wrong!

    The Allison transmission retarder is a very effective way to slow a vehicle without having to use the brakes.
    On engines with exhaust brakes the transmission will downshift to keep engine revs high to increase the efficiency of the exhaust brake.
     
  6. Pablo-UA

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    I cant say that fuel milage with alisson suffer to be a half of on manual tranny. I would say around 10-15%, but when converter clutch is bad ore torque converter is bad - yep... fuel milage is bad.

    Bus drivers say about double difference becouse MAZ and LIAZ make city buses with auto and interstate buses with manual and they did not compare bus with manual with bus with auto in the city. The problem is that city buses got "slow" rear end and when they run over 40 MPH they have really bad fuel milage so they cant surelly say about fuel milage difference.

    Ok, about ZF as-tronic. It is amazing this transmissin saves fuel compareing with regular manual transmissions, but all ZF are expencive to fix, autos on cars and buses are expencive too
     
  7. Sportster2000

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    You can get a Allison with a wide range of engine sizes in the T660 and the T800. I brought a truck back from Arizona. It was a T660 with a ISL and a six speed allison. The gearing was a little tall but I was able to go down the road at 75 mph running 1900 rpm. If you get a KW glider which I don't even know if they offer that then you could get factory mounts for the engine on certain models. The T660 had the studio sleeper that was 72" if I remember right. It may seem like I am pushing KW but for the ease of swinging an engine into them with factory options for certain engines makes them more appealing to me.
     
  8. KANSAS TRANSIT

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    I guess my biggest question is what kind of mileage were you getting on that T6, was it a straight truck or where you bobbin??
     
  9. Sportster2000

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    That was with a 32' trailer behind it. The trailer was a flatbed and it was empty. Went from arizona to indiana like that and got 7.4 mpg running 75 mph through the states I could and 70mph through the others. I figure that if you run it smarter than what I did with a load you could easily get 7 mpg out of one of those. Allison's aren't known for their good fuel economy at interstate speeds. They do tend to run at higher rpm's while doing the speed limit. The other guy that followed me back from Arizona was driving a Pete 388 heavy hauler. He was running 1800 rpm with an ISX 15 liter and an allison 7 speed at 75 mph. He had to fuel his truck up evey night. I think that he might have gotten 4 mpg.
     
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