Another CB Shop Gets Busted By The FCC...

OK but this is a bit like killing a mosquito with a shotgun.... This is a CB forum... I am only talking from the perspective of 11 meters. Are you telling me there is current active use on the free band between CB and legit 10 meter frequencies? I doubt it based on what I have hear with my own ears and the research I have done. Believe me or don't but my son is in the military and I love my country. If there is active military traffic I might interfere with I would NOT go there. Period. If there are hams modifying there Xcvrs and transmitting on currently used military frequencies shame on them but in my opinionnot really relevant here.

I differ from you on this. Again my opinion but in a dwindling hobby, why not attempt to befriend these unlicensed operators and explain how easy it would be to get legal. Hey no more code... 15 bucks for a license that lasts several years. I listen to 2 meters on my scanner... Hear more attitude than an earnest attempt to recruit new members. Radio can use all the help in growth it can get. My cancer is certified by the government to hav come from 9/11 where I was a recovery worker. I can tell you that there were radios in general use down there on several bands. I worked for a phone company and was there when it happened. My office was 2 blocs away on maiden lane. even though cell phones rule nowadays, we had no cell phones fort days. The main Telco office on West street was hit bad. The side of the building was opened. Many antennas were on the trade center.... Effected well into Brooklyn and Jersey. There were ops helping, but they could have used more. In my opinion would have been a good time for Hams to recruit new members. Come down to demonstrating the uses and being helpful will get you more members. To "be cliché" you ctach mre flies with honey than vinegar. Oh and again not be be a smartA$$ but turn on your radio... Try and find that cesspool. There don't seem to be enough people to make a small pile of dung these days.

Again... MY BELIEF.... stop policing for a while and direct your energies to recruiting. I honestly believe the people out there might just police themselves out of a hobby... Sure the worst cases should be reported especially if interfering with vital services. But a guy who is talking on a 2 meter he bought aat a garage sale should be recruited before being reported. It's common sense and self preservation...

Well again my son with a high security clearance told me he could find nothing. In the past we have had discussions where he has said "I cant' discuss that. This was not his response. Also I tune around a lot and hear for myself. I Have been specifically addressing freeband between 10 and 11 meters which is appropriate for a CB forum. If there something going on in VHF, UHF 800 MHZ up to satellite, it is not coming from a jacked up CB.

I invite you to listen to the frequencies between 10 and 11 meters. I will bet you don't do it too much... Simple reason.. there is nothing there. It's boring. I am not denying you are not supposed to be there. My point all along has been these so called problems don't really exist. There are and will always be isolated problems. I will grant that channel 6 is often a zoo and lotys run power there... Let them have it. I have been around for quite a while if you haven't gathered. Used to run 500 watts out of the base. No more... Not for decades. You don't need it. It's generally so quiet I can talk skip on 4 watts with my legal beam.

Actually have two. Have a super scanner that is my Omni for the most part an a moonraker 4. Bands are so quiet here in the city you don't need power to have fun.

Even channel six is often dead... especially when the skip is non existant.

 

I differ from you on this. Again my opinion but in a dwindling hobby, why not attempt to befriend these unlicensed operators and explain how easy it would be to get legal. Hey no more code... 15 bucks for a license that lasts several years. I listen to 2 meters on my scanner... Hear more attitude than an earnest attempt to recruit new members. Radio can use all the help in growth it can get. My cancer is certified by the government to hav come from 9/11 where I was a recovery worker. I can tell you that there were radios in general use down there on several bands. I worked for a phone company and was there when it happened. My office was 2 blocs away on maiden lane. even though cell phones rule nowadays, we had no cell phones fort days. The main Telco office on West street was hit bad. The side of the building was opened. Many antennas were on the trade center.... Effected well into Brooklyn and Jersey. There were ops helping, but they could have used more. In my opinion would have been a good time for Hams to recruit new members. Come down to demonstrating the uses and being helpful will get you more members. To "be cliché" you ctach mre flies with honey than vinegar. Oh and again not be be a smartA$$ but turn on your radio... Try and find that cesspool. There don't seem to be enough people to make a small pile of dung these days. (Quote)

For brevity, I will keep this short. If one is not willing to listen to facts there's no use talking to him..or to a tree for that matter. I tried to explain as well as Ms Jamie that much of MilComs that DO occur in the upper end of HF use a variety of modes, NOT just voice. You are looking to hear someone jabbering away in some sort of code, or sending numbers because this is what CB guys are expecting. It doesn't happen that way. Since 9/11 much has changed. If you listen in the so-called "freeband"--which is NOT free, BTW, but only another way for illegal CB ops to try to justify their theft of frequencies, all you will hear is Hash. noise Spread Sprectrum makes little or no "noise" in the way CBers are used to. I tried to tell you about Automatic Link Establishment (another technology being used by hams), and how it is used to work from 2-30 MHZ, but you ignored that. You just simply refuse to acknowledge that radio has advanced far beyond CB radio, and the uses of 25-29 MHZ has changed as well. If one wants to believe that drivers aren't ON 28 MHZ, he can ignore the people who are there by not monitoring it, OR listening for a short while and declaring, "There's no one up there". I hear them all the time.

Another CB myth is, "Ham Radio is 'dying'". It is NOT. It has remained stable OR increased over the years with numbers in the 600,000 range. Its not going away.

"You can lead a horse to water, but..............................." Truth is truth and never changes.

Have a nice day!

 

You two are funny

The NTIA is under the Department of Commerce which is really in control of the entire radio spectrum. The NTIA has a manual out called the "redbook" which lays it all out for anyone to see what the rules of relationship between the military and the rest of the country (and world for that matter) really is. There is a lot of allocation info in it with priority protocols. The book is on line, it is 888 pages (or my copy is for that matter it may be more or less) and it is not an easy read.

First thing is that this has to do with cb and ham alike, it is quite clear that too many people don't get the impact they may have with their junk amps and second rate equipment. There is a good amount of proof of dirty junk in a few other threads, one such thread had this comment in it which makes me scratch my head ...

The harm is called harmonics from the amp and that poor guy 'offroadjack' should have brought that junk back to the guy he bought it from and got his money back. The pics of the amp are just disgusting, you guys really buying that crap? That's stuff I scrap out.

By the way I do know a lot about amps and how to build them so I can judge from just that one thread how bad it is out there.

But I digress ...

The point is this, there are a lot of things YOU don't hear when you are tuning into a band or a group of frequencies. I have top shelf equipment, live near a NGB and only a little of what they are doing I hear.

Now something that Gadfly hasn't mentioned is the use of 25 to 29 Mhz by the military, they do use it and it is hidden, but it is there. No one accept the operators, the NTIA requency coordinators and maybe, just maybe the FCC liaison in the local office will know what is going on but you and others ... nope not a clue. You may not even hear them at all, the mention of Spread Spectrum is only one mode of operation.

No disrespect to your son but I am betting he is what some call compartmentalized in regards of his security clearance because of his deployment history which does not mean he has a sensitive compartmented information (SCI) clearance but a security clearance for his job so even if he asked, it doesn't mean he has the need for that info - he has no access to it. The stuff Gadfly and I said is public knowledge but there are things that are off limits to people in general.

 

Me thinks if the use of the "free band" was any issue at all to the U.S. Government, that they would put a stop to it. They don't, so it isn't. Now that is a fact that is not top secret or that you need superior ham operator intellect to have knowledge of!

 

Maybe not that you're aware of.

Some time ago, a friend of mine was a big time "freebander". The key word is "was", as in he was until the day he got a certified "cease and desist" letter from the FCC for interfering with government communications. He decided it wasn't worth risking a $10,000 fine per occurrence for out of band operation.

It's true that the chance of getting caught is low, but it's not zero.

 

Big Bear I don't know or care who uses what on freeband. So help yourself. But I do know you can still find the FBI and US Marshal service on there from time to time in the DC area.

 

nope... I hatr to brag (not really LOL) but he graduated from the Bronx High School Science, Has a degree from North Georgia Military college and had his pick of choice assignments. He turned down chopper pilot... appointment to FBI and others. FBI specifically wanted him for his security clearance. He turned it down because he ould have to mgom where they told him and he has very definite preferences on where he wants to live. He is accepting a new position with a promo to a warrant officer. OK that has NOTHING to do with anything... I am just proud of him. He was up for Delta but had enough of combat. For that I was grateful.


"Now something that Gadfly hasn't mentioned is the use of 25 to 29 Mhz by the military, they do use it and it is hidden, but it is there. No one accept the operators, the NTIA requency coordinators and maybe, just maybe the FCC liaison in the local office will know what is going on but you and others ... nope not a clue. You may not even hear them at all, the mention of Spread Spectrum is only one mode of operation. "

This is funny.... No matter how "hidden" it is... You should hear something.... Have heard tone bursts and other noises on other bands BUT NOT on the freeband between 0 and 11 MHZ. Lots of stories and encounters but no facts. I have, for the time being at least, grouped this covert use of the freeband to the realm of Sasquatch, the Jersey Devil and the Loch Ness Monster. Lot of folks say they exist, some claim to have seen them. BUT no real proof. If someone were to point out mysterious tone bursts at regular intervals, say on 27.805. I would be more open. I often scan these dead frequencies for long periods of time and,,,nothing.

 

Let's also throw a bit of logic here for a moment. WShy would the military invest a lot of time and effort in a band that is KNOWN for rampant illegal interference? As Gadfly pointed out CB'ers are notorious for rampant violations including using out of band channels. I must admit, I have almost NO experience below 27.965... It was never very active in my neck of the woods. Maybe I will check that out sometime soon.

 

This is funny.... No matter how "hidden" it is... You should hear something.... Have heard tone bursts and other noises on other bands BUT NOT on the freeband between 0 and 11 MHZ. Lots of stories and encounters but no facts. I have, for the time being at least, grouped this covert use of the freeband to the realm of Sasquatch, the Jersey Devil and the Loch Ness Monster. Lot of folks say they exist, some claim to have seen them. BUT no real proof. If someone were to point out mysterious tone bursts at regular intervals, say on 27.805. I would be more open. I often scan these dead frequencies for long periods of time and,,,nothing. (quote)

Tone bursts or mysterious "racket". There is, for example, a mode used by hams. One of them is called "Packet". It does work in bursts. It is called that because its "packets" of information. "BURRRRRRR-UP" or CHIRRRRRR-UP" Now I don't use the area between 27.0905 and 28.000. Most MilComs are BELOW that. You say that you have heard tone bursts and "other noises" on other bands" You should know that there are HF ham bands from 1.8 to 29.700 MHZ, and within that spectrum (ham) there's the packet I mentioned, there's RTTY, there's Morse Code, and a few others. To hear that, one has to be listening to catch it--unless there's a band opening on one of them, and the hams will be wild with signals. You're saying you hear it, and you DON'T hear it all at the same time.

As I post, I also make omissions, some deliberate, some not, in the facts I present. This is simply to be careful not to innocently reveal something that is not supposed to be revealed. Oh, its not so "cloak and dagger" as all that; one just has to be careful what he says and how he says it. Its like walking on eggshells.

Mil Ops do report interlopers. The offender won't hear about it until there's a knock on the door. Yes, enforcement is not what it used to be. Congress saw fit to cut funding some time back, and the current situation is what we now have as a result.

The users of adjacent spectrum often don't complain about the actual frequencies involved, and sometimes they don't complain because it would place a spotlight on them, and reveal that they are there. So they don't say anything unless it becomes unbearable. I have encountered this before, and reported it with a resulting "visit" to a CB station (actually, a taxi company). They got fined and shut down.

We believe what we want to. And this argument has run its course, don't you think? The only "proof" is when there's a knock on the door and a couple of suits and ties wait without!

GF

 

Agazin not heard them on between 10-q11 meters. Live in NYC so bands are active.... BUT alo if they are below one I don't listen there much. though I may start. Maybe this is where all the classified traffic is. I know NYC has LOTS of illegal car service radio traffic between 10 and 11. It is however kept short and is sporadic.

Here's one for you all. If the FCC, military or anyone else is legally using this space... How have these cab services gotten away with it for so long? I laugh as many livery cabs have Wilson's or K40's here abouts. Would not take much of an FCC investigation to get them. If they have been caught, business must be good because they still do it.