I lost my job when my company installed a driver-facing camera - one of those "AI"-driven ones that supposedly can tell when I'm distracted (yet it often complained just because I looked at a mirror, the dashboard, etc.). Due to a lost Bluetooth earpiece, I lifted my phone to my mouth to dictate a message back to my manager. I think since the cameras were so new, my manager's boss decided to use me to make an example of and basically fired me on the spot. It probably didn't help that I'm uncomfortable in many "social" situations, and part of my brain freezes up so I couldn't think very well while defending myself when put on the spot.
We can have all sorts of arguments about it, but as far as I'm concerned as long as I ensure I'm not looking at the phone for more than a couple seconds at a time (just enough to see where to tap, for example) then it's no different than looking at a side mirror. I also ensure there's no traffic immediately around or in front of me so even if I do drift a bit there's no likely harm (basically, I try to consider all the possibilities and mitigate them when taking a potentially risky action). I'm reasonably intelligent, mindful, etc. and despite the lowest common denominator assumption to the contrary, it most certainly IS possible to do certain things on a phone (like dictate a message) without any more risk than any other thing that takes your full concentration away from the road ahead of you for a couple seconds at a time.
If they're really that concerned with me not doing this, then there should be pay for taking all the time necessary to find a safe place to pull over to communicate with them - i.e. pay by the hour, not the mile (especially since it was a local job).
Rant aside, are there ANY decent company driver jobs (preferably in the central NJ area) that still trust the driver? I've got over a decade of experience with nothing on my CSA, but I'm not a "trucker" per se so I know nothing about engine repair, for example. Opinions regarding my decision to use a phone in the way I did aside, I'm reasonably certain that I've become a fairly decent driver who does actually pre-trip, replace bad parts while ensuring basic things are working properly, drives a bit slower than the average - in part to save fuel as much as possible (I averaged around 8.5+MPG in newer automatic Freightliners and Internationals - at least 1 MPG better than most of my coworkers), and cares about doing the actual "right thing." I don't want anything bad to happen to anybody else due to me.
I've since found a replacement for my Bluetooth earpiece, BTW - it's a model not made anymore so I had to get one from eBay, but it works extremely well for blocking out cab noise without being one of those ridiculously large headsets. I otherwise generally don't talk on the phone much while driving, so having something small and easily stashed away is also important to me.
Any companies which still trust the driver over tech (& don't micro-manage)?
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Go with a company that doesn't use driver facing cameras. That will solve that problem!
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No driver facing cameras.
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Here is where you need to do going forward, stop worrying about texts and called and deal with them on your break, not when the truck is moving.
Your manager should be fired for texting drivers, why the hell does a company allow this crap?
If we have to get ahold of a driver, we leave a VM. I expect my driver's to respond when they are not driving or face problems.Gearjammin' Penguin, Crude Truckin', Thrasher28 and 4 others Thank this. -
TRACTOR MOVEMENT + CELL PHONE USE = SHORT CDL CAREER
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General rule of thumb when in company vehicle that has driver facing cameras = don’t touch anything not ‘factory installed’, or ‘company installed’ devices while vehicle is in motion.
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The FMCSA regulations NEVER ask you to be confident your violating of the regs feels comfortable to you. The regs say "one touch" is ok, more is not. It doesn't define "one touch in how much time". If an officer sees you doing more than one touch, you are at risk of the ticket, which the industry considers a big deal. Some states do not allow drivers of vehicles to hold their phone, some states require a hands-free device when driving.
One driver I knew used a bluetooth mini keyboard strapped to his leg which allowed keeping his hands hidden from outsiders and control over his mounted phone. It's just as illegal as holding/using the phone but less likely to trigger a ticket. Mount your phone where it's not obvious every time you glance at it and no major hand motions are needed to use it. If you are doing something you aren't supposed to do then be more careful of who is watching and stop expecting to get away with something because you feel comfortable or others are doing it. Or, just strictly obey the rules. A previous employer had one part of the company preaching to all drivers to never talk on the phone and another part of the company demanding drivers answer their phone when called. I was lucky/senior enough I always picked my work assignments where the cellphone coverage was miraculously bad everywhere except at the customer, or was it?Last edited: Apr 3, 2024
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11000 reasons why I would have let you go too. Sending a text on the drive line is very easy to prove.
The rule imposes sanctions for driver offenses, including civil penalties up to $2,750 and driver disqualification for multiple offenses. Motor carriers are also prohibited from requiring or allowing their drivers to text or use a hand-held mobile phone while driving and may be subject to civil penalties up to $11,000. Violations will impact SMS results. Texting and calling on a hand-held phone carry the maximum violation severity weighting in SMS -
At my previous employer they had a strict no cell phone use while driving policy enforced by inward facing cameras but they would also call you repeatedly while you were driving, particularly if the weather was bad or if you were running behind and get hacked off if you didn’t answer. Also they would usually not answer their phone if you called them.
When they started having real trouble filling seats they backed off and allowed Bluetooth calling (then of course you had dingalings using Airbuds in both ears and they had to spell it out to the slow kids in the class that you can’t block both ears).Space Truckin and Gearjammin' Penguin Thank this. -
What company was it? Share it out so people know what's up with places before they apply there. AI driving facing cams is a step too far imo.
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