Any company drivers legally getting over 3,000 since the new HOS change?

Me either, but that's not the point. There's no doubt in my mind that you can run 4,100 miles per week, even in a 62 mph truck. Running it legally is the question.

This is what the FMCSR has to say about average speeds:

" In areas where a 55 mph speed limit is in effect, trips of 450-500 miles are open to question, and runs of 500 miles or more are considered incapable of being made in compliance with the speed limit and hours of service limitation."

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regu...etext.aspx?reg=392.6&guidence=y&keyword=392.6

 

Wow, I wonder how old that is. They're basing it on 10 hours driving. I was wondering how over 500 would be considered impossible with a speed limit of 55.

 

Had you followed the link, you probably would have noticed that the guidance is current to April 12, 2013.

Note that what I've quoted is Regulatory Guidance, not the actual FMCSR. The Guidance section provides users with a good idea how the FMCSA, and by inference, D.O.T. enforcement, will interpret the FMCSR.

What the posted quote indicates is that if your logbooks are inspected, the D.O.T. won't buy that you averaged the speed limit throughout your driving day. It doesn't matter that you honestly, truly, cross my heart & hope to spit did average that speed; they'll simply assume that you had to exceed the speed limit to achieve that avg. speed and issue you a ticket.

 

Not only did I follow the link but I read it and put it into context.

It refers to a 10 hour driving limit so although the regulation is current I don't think the interpretation is.

I don't know about the DOT but I don't think averaging 46 mph in a 55 mph area is averaging the speed limit.

 

No problem! joseph1135, he run like grease lightning!

From Google Maps on iPad:


1. Carthage, MO to Noel, MO- deadhead................54 miles.... 1 hour
2. Noel, MO to Riverside, CA.............................1510 miles.... 21.5 hours
Riverside, CA to Mccarran, NV............................473 miles.... 8 hours
Mccarran, NV to Riverside, CA............................473 miles.... 8 hours
3. Riverside, CA to Richgrove, CA-deadhead.........203 miles.... 3 hours
4. Richgrove, CA to Grandview, WA.....................929 miles.... 15 hours
5. Grandview, WA to Ontario, OR-deadhead.........267 miles.... 4 hours
6. Ontario, OR to Woodburn, OR. .......................405 miles.... 6.5 hours


Total miles: 4,314
Total hours: 67


No loading time, no fueling, no pee. Gee, I bet joseph had to pee real bad... Maybe he carry Gordon hot air all way from MO to Woodburn, OR then finally let'um loose. All safe & legal.

 

From his other thread I think he made a typo. He said he went from Noel, Mo to McCarran then the next stop was in Riverside.

He didn't go from Riverside to Mccarran back to riverside.

 

Near the top of the page, it clearly states: Regulations current to Apr 12, 2013 . If that isn't adequate for you, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you could send a note to Obama requesting clarification.

I have no idea how you came up with a 46 mph average. What the guidance says is, "runs of 500 miles or more are considered incapable of being made in compliance with the speed limit and hours of service limitation." Every time I divide 10 hours into 500 miles, I get 50 mph; maybe it's different using the metric system, eh?

I will sincerely apologize if I confused you by stating "averaged the speed limit" instead of quoting the guidance directly. I lost my head and foolishly assumed that a clever chap like you would be able to put my statement "into context".

As I mentioned previously, this is Regulatory Guidance. The FMCSA provides it for your guidance. Neither they, nor I, require you to worship, utilize or, even, believe it. It's a tool; nothing more, nothing less.

Ultimately, I really don't care how, or even if, you log your miles. BOL

 

The very nice safety lady at the co. I'm leased to says 52.9 MPH average in 55 MPH states (CA & OR). She is a veteran of more than one DOT audit and is hecka bent on keeping us compliant and EOBR free.

 

Good luck getting 52.9 in Cali and Oregon you must be empty or have a big motor to pull those hills.

 

I rounded up to 46. 11 hours times 46 mph equals 506 miles. You divided 500 by 10 hours and got 50.

It refers to a regulation that is current but it seems the guidance is based on a 10 hour driving limit which isn't the current limit.

I checked some other interpretations and found other references to previous HOS rules.

Not trying to argue, I just wondered why 500 miles in 11 hours would be considered 'incapable'. A read of the interpretation clearly shows it's based on a 10 hour driving limit.