Any money to be made?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by onedayaway, Jun 28, 2011.

  1. onedayaway

    onedayaway Light Load Member

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    Just wanted to get some thoughts from the more experienced on this board, been browsing for quite some time.

    Been working for a company for just over a year now doing city p&d. Never had any problems with them, and could see myself sticking around for a while.

    They've be asking me to do some short line runs, but I can't say I'm all that interested. I know they were short high way guys so I figured I'd ask the details of the owner operators.

    I was told they're paying $1.30 a mile, plus a fuel sub of 25%-30%.
    Dedicated run approx 600 miles round trip home daily, NO loading or unloading. However sometimes it's deck frieght and you are required to secure and unsecure. 98% of it is loaded going up, empty coming back. They supply plates and insurance, however you pay it approx $1000/mth. Company supplies trailers.

    Another thing, they regularly cycle out their old trucks for new and it just so happens its that time again. I inquired about maybe buying one of them and was told if I did they would finance interest free with monthly deductions off my cheque or i could get my own financing, but there's sounded like a pretty good deal. They're going to find out exactly what ones are going then I can see which if any i'm interested in and a price. If I'm not interested off to the auction they go nor do they mind if I found my own truck. Only thing is these are older pre emissions trucks, full repair histories from new, and these guys dont mess around if they ever needed anything it's fixed or repaired asap. I'm guessing the price would be somewhere in the $12, 000 - $20, 000 range.

    Worth pursuing further or am I just looking to lose my shirt?
     
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  3. Frenzy

    Frenzy Medium Load Member

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    Where do I sign?

    Well a few questions first:
    1. are all miles (loaded and empty) paid at the same rate?
    2. is the fuel surcharge paid on the empty miles?
    3. what kind of mpg's do the old trucks get?

    I make a good living driving a 1000 mile round trip run twice a week. It's good because:
    1. All miles are paid as loaded.
    2. that means I get a fsc on all miles.
    3. I get really good mpgs because my loads are light, and the returns are nearly empty.

    The old trucks sound like a really good deal. I've lost my fear of high mileage trucks, and in some ways I think they are a lot more reliable and less expensive to run.
     
  4. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    Frenzy hit a lot of the questions. In a nutshell, you have to look at what the total pay is. It's OK to have a different pay loaded and MT if at the end of the day the net is good.

    Check on the weekly fee for plates and insurance. Actually, get everything in writing before the day you sign papers. Many a driver has said "I got it all in writing" that was given to them when signing the papers. You want to review things.
     
  5. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    The 1.30 + 27% FSC is 1.65 CPM which doesn't make me jump up and shout. A bit low but if it is paid both directions and you run back empty, it might work. If you kept your expenses down you could make a living. It looks like you are in Canada so I have no idea on fuel, taxes, license and all the other costs of operation that make or break you. I hope $1000 per month was an error for license. That alone would be a deal-breaker for me.
     
  6. onedayaway

    onedayaway Light Load Member

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    All miles paid, loaded/empty/partial at 1.30/mile and home daily.
    Fuel surcharge is paid on ALL miles.
    I'm not totally sure what they get to be honest. It would likely be a 03 t800, 40" flat top, 475hp isx, 18sp, 3:90 rears.
    The $1000/mth I said was for insurance on truck/trailer, plates, etc.

    There could likely be some set work too, but that's a whole different can of worms. lol
     
  7. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    That is still $.20-.30/mile better than what most are getting.
     
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  8. BigJohn54

    BigJohn54 Gone, but NEVER forgotten

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    You are right BBBill. I re-read my post and questioned my reasoning. It is not what you can make with authority, but it is in the top rates of any lease I have seen. With half the miles empty, it is better than doable.
     
  9. onedayaway

    onedayaway Light Load Member

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    So just to add some to this.Talked to my employer and got more information. Here is how it breaks down.

    Tandem axle load deck or van is $1.30/mile loaded & empty
    Tridem axle load deck or van is $1.33/mile loaded & empty
    Fuel subsidy this month was 29.5%
    So $1.68/mile for all miles this month.
    Company supplies trailer.
    Most is same destination but there is a few others. Most popular destination is 590miles, rest are further. Most trips are home daily, but there are some further ones.
    We work out of one location. All deliveries, pick ups, and switches (drop & hook) are paid at $50. All are paid except for ones that occur at our home location we work out of. (i.e. you do not get paid $50 should you decided to turn and burn once getting back in)
    Waiting time is paid at $35/hr, except one of our customers get the 1st hour free then pay the standard $35/hr. Working time is 45/hr (load securement etc)
    There's no pre authorization needed like I hear some guys talk about. However they're not stupid and they expect you to be honest.
    Trailers in our yard are pre loaded going out however 70% of the deck loads need to be secured and you are not paid for it (however outside of our location you are). Tarp loads are extremely rare, if there is they're secured and tarped for you.
    Normally its truck load with 1 drop. 90% it's just a drop and hook other times you have to wait to be unloaded, 98% you come back empty. Even when you do the back hauls are extremely small probably sub 5000lbs.
    Your choice to run head ache rack, but you are expected to supply your own chains, straps, and binders.
    Company supplies fuel cards and insurance, but you pay the bill. We have a scale in our yard. You have to supply plates and permits.
    We also get their cost on parts/tires, we can use wash bay to clean our trucks for free, and get labour rates slightly above mechanics wages.

    I've decided I would rather purchase my own truck from an outside source though. Still trying to find the right truck. They have no age of tractor requirements, but you are expected to keep your truck maintained.

    Does this sounds reasonable for a lease op or am I crazy for seriously considering this?
     
  10. milskired

    milskired Road Train Member

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    I dont see why it would sound bad to anybody really. Most places pay 1.30 a mile after FSC. Thats why I refuse to lease a truck because its hard to find a deal like what you have the chance to do. Does not sound bad to me.
     
  11. GrillN

    GrillN Bobtail Member

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    Sounds like a pretty good deal and the employer sounds like he/their decent. Maybe you should try to lease a truck from them. If they're more than fair with their rates, they'll be honest with you and tell you which truck you would be better off with. Knowing the history to a truck is very valuable.
     
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