applying for authority

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  1. Stroked F550

    Stroked F550 Medium Load Member

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    hey guys

    I am going to be applying for my authority online today and I have a few questions.

    What exactly is the difference in simple mans terms the difference between motor common carrier vs motor contract carrier of property (except household goods)?

    On the OP-1 form in Section 1 it asks " Do you now have operating authority from or an application being processed by the FMCSA,FHWA, OMCS or ICC?

    Are they talking about the application that I am currently filling out or a previous application?

    On the MCS 150 form box # 18 asks for your Dun & Bradstreet No. what is this? Can I leave it blank?


    thanks,
    Andrew
     
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  3. PharmPhail

    PharmPhail Road Train Member

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    bump

    No one knows? Surely his page musta timed out by now! I may need to know soon too here.
     
  4. 112racing

    112racing Road Train Member

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    Question #1 you will be a common carrier

    question #2 if you have not had authority before and have not applied before the answer is = no

    question #3 dunn & bradstreet is basically credit info. If you haven't regesterd with them don't worry you don't need it ( i've had my authority 11 years and am not registerd) answer = no
     
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  5. Stroked F550

    Stroked F550 Medium Load Member

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    thanks 112racing for the info.

    Also on the MCS 150 form under operation classification I have checked Authorized for hire and Exempt for hire.

    Can I also select Private property? ( as sometimes I will be hauling my own personal cargo)

    Or will that screw up my application because I am for hire?
     
  6. High Desert Dweller

    High Desert Dweller Medium Load Member

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    In simple man's terms-

    Common Authority allows you to set your own tariffs (rates) and accept business from the general public. Parcel companies (UPS, FedEx), household movers (United, Allied) Bus companies (Greyhound) LTL (Yellow, ABF) and airlines who regularly cross state lines are good examples of Common Carriers. Customers all sign a standard, one size fits all agreement that must meet the terms under Title 49 of the US Commercial code.

    Contract Authority allows you to enter into agreements with shippers and brokers where the terms are not limited to a standard Bill of Lading and/or Title 49. The Big Box Carriers like Swift and Schnieder may have both types, but when they are hauling a B2B truckload shipment it is under Contract Authority.

    When the ICC was abolished in 1996, it eliminated some of the distinctions between Common and Contract. The biggest being strict enforcement of published tariffs. It also created alot of confusion among new applicants as to which to file for.

    If you file for Common only and plan to haul B2B for shippers and brokers, you will be hard pressed to find many who will give you any business. Yes, I know that is is done quite often, mainly because so many people in the trucking biz are unaware of the legal issues in the case of a cargo claim or liability in the case of an accident.

    In a nutshell, if you want to haul for shippers and brokers, get contract.
    If you want to advertise and haul for the general public under a tariff with limited cargo claim liability, get Common.

    hope this helps.
     
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  7. Stroked F550

    Stroked F550 Medium Load Member

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    thanks for the great post High Desert Dweller.

    It looks like I need to get both then because I will be hauling for any random person in the general public as well as shippers and brokers.

    also on the MCS 150 Form under "Operation Classification" I am have selected Authorized For-Hire and Exempt For-Hire.

    From time to time I will be hauling my own personal stuff on my trailer do I also need to select "Private property" ?


    thanks,
    Andrew
     
  8. High Desert Dweller

    High Desert Dweller Medium Load Member

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    Exempt for-Hire only applies to carriers who use the public highways to haul raw agricultural commodities from point to point. For example, If a farmer hires you to haul his tomatoes from his field to the ketchup factory, you would be functioning as an exempt for hire carrier.

    Manufacturers and retailers, etc., who own/operate their own fleets run under the Private Carrier classification. They don't need an MC# provided they haul only THEIR products from point to point. All they need is a DOT#.

    IMO, you can haul your personal stuff under Authorized with no problem.
     
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  9. Stroked F550

    Stroked F550 Medium Load Member

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    ok cool thanks for the clarification so all I need is Authorized then.
     
  10. High Desert Dweller

    High Desert Dweller Medium Load Member

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    Yep.
    Box 23 should be marked "Authorized For-hire".
    Box 24 should be marked "GENERAL FREIGHT".

    Though it it is your decision to make, Filing for both Contract and Common is a bit redundant, and will cost you an extra $300 in application fees. It will also complicate your insurance coverage, in that Common carriers by Statute are required to post $5000 in cargo insurance, where Contract carriers aren't required to post anything. However, virtually all shippers and brokers require a minimum of $100,000 in cargo before they will sign a contract with you.

    My suggestion- apply for contract only and make sure you ask for $100,000 in "Broad-Form" cargo when you start shopping for insurance rates.
     
  11. Stroked F550

    Stroked F550 Medium Load Member

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    Ok cool that's what I marked

    However I keep getting conflicting answers as whether to be a common or contract.
    There will be times that I will be setting my own rate for load that John Smith needs transported but there are other times when I will be hauling for a broker/shipper.

    my insurance is $150k cargo and $1M liability
     
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