APU's, Idle and the Law--- what's the truth ?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by jjsiegal, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. jjsiegal

    jjsiegal Light Load Member

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    I want to hear this from the Pros...as they've been there and are out there.

    Another good one (i've done searches on the forum, and ONLY came up this thread) but, its not really clear. (Some cities within the states have their own rules too ----oh man...truckers don't have rights?). Here's the Link. Truckers aren't Human!

    It looks like "25 states and or Cities" don't allow idling for trucks. Apparently the owner of this forum is not happy about it either as that webpage is from his site. Trucker regulations state that a driver must have an “un-interrupted” sleep period but at the same time some of these asinine anti-idling laws require the driver to get up every hour or so to fire up his/her truck to regulate the temp.

    QUESTION(s)

    1. Are APU's a standard piece of equipment in todays trucks and companies?
    2. Do APU's violate the Idle Laws?
    3. At what temperature does the truck turn off and on (when idling?)
    4. What do you do, in states and cities that say "NO IDLING, we'll fine #### arse ? ? ?
    Anyway, i'm goin in with eye's wide open...and want the truth.

    The recruiters at schools and even the counselors don't know #### about this business. They don't give a flying #### what the drivers will face...only that check from the gov, paying them to pump out drivers.

    Folks, I really appreciate your input...especially from the Pro's...

    Thanks very much!
     
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  3. Trygg

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    I have been told that if your truck has the "Certified Clean Idle" sticker on the side of it, then the no-idle laws in the states don't matter, and you wouldn't receive a ticket for idling. It's like the California Smog bs laws, they just want a piece of paper telling them you spent your money on something worthless, then they'll leave you alone.
     
  4. jjsiegal

    jjsiegal Light Load Member

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    Not sure Trygg.
    Where you hauling....have you heard any drivers getting #### about idle?

    I put out the states....25 of them.

     
  5. Trygg

    Trygg Light Load Member

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    I idle in all of them, rarely ever see an officer driving around ticketing trucks, haven't met a driver yet that's been ticketed for idling his truck, even WalMart Distribution Centers have a "No Idle Policy" on their properties that they make every driver sign when entering stating we won't idle, guess what? Every truck backed into a door waiting for their load to get loaded or unloaded is idling away for hours, not once has a WalMart employee actually told a driver around me or myself to turn off their truck, or have I seen any driver fined for it.

    I believe the idle laws are all bogus, and law enforcement / anyone who's supposed to enforce these laws all know that they're bogus and as such don't enforce them. I believe that the states that write in such laws do so for government benefits just for having the law, whether they enforce them or not doesn't matter for eligibility to receive such benefits. WalMart only has the No Idle Policy in place on their properties so that on paper it looks like they are helping in saving the environment and as such they can promote their company as being "Green". Having the law itself written in does enough to deter those who are paranoid to either purchase unnecessary equipment to abide by the law or torture themselves by not idling their trucks.
     
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  6. TomOfTx

    TomOfTx Road Train Member

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    1. Optional item that can be added when truck is built, or can add one on later. More companies using them today than in the past as a way of saving fuel and for some a driver recruiting/retention tool.
    2. Generally no, though they can violate noise ordinances in some towns.
    3. For trucks using optimized idle, it is based on the temperature range set. Could be a few minutes or longer before the truck starts up again. For trucks without optimized idle, it stays running until the driver turns it off or some other factor causing the truck to shutdown (no fuel, check engine light, etc)
    4. When I was in this position, prior to 2007, I would park in places when law enforcement normally would not patrol. I could handle the truck shut off when it is cold outside, just not when it is warm.
     
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  7. TomOfTx

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    Most of the anti-idling is enforced against Walmart's own trucks, which all have APU's, so no need to idle. You wouldn't normally see Walmart telling drivers, including our own, to shut their truck off. If my boss sees my name on the report showing I was idling my truck more than 1%, he may ask me why, though it has not happened. If our APU stops working, we just stay at a hotel for the night at company expense. I do not believe when Walmart promotes any "Green" program it would make the public expect it to include other motor carriers, but more so for their own operations including the private fleet. Walmart is really tough on drivers when it comes to saving fuel, but not at the drivers expense in terms of comfort while sleeping. The diesel powered APU's we run make idling unnecessary.
     
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  8. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    you've been told wrong.
     
  9. jjsiegal

    jjsiegal Light Load Member

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    Straight Answers from a Straight talking Man!

    Thank you Tom...!

     
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    I have these goofy stickers on my new assigned tractor. Looks stupid. What happens if I remove these labels? (We don't do California) Will I be thrown into a progressive re-education camp so my mind can be made right?
     
  11. jjsiegal

    jjsiegal Light Load Member

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    Can companies be this Callus?

    A dispatcher on another forum wrote me this messsage:

    "It was a rough life, especially for the no-longer-young; late-summer months were the worst. One August, we saw five men taken from their rigs to hospitals; not all of them made it."

    How can this be happening?

    Working in Sweltering heat in August...and not running AIR?
     
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